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That's the thing - what I like about reddit is that every single community is right there. I don't need to figure out a new complex system. It's a megaforum wit

That's the thing - what I like about reddit is that every single community is right there. I don't need to figure out a new complex system. It's a megaforum with every single subniche you can think of, without having to go to any other site or any other server I want a centralized megaforum. I don't care about federation or what technology it uses. I just want easy access to everything

data-ottawa 3y ago
For what it's worth, Lemmy and kbin are very much the v1 of the fediverse, the UIs and servers are improving quickly as they break (just like how reddit was notoriously down all the time years ago). After you sign up you don't have to care much about servers or instances, just tap "all". I don't think it will be long before someone comes into this space with a good UI and the community that reddit just marooned and turns it into gold.
- spombg 3y ago
  I hope you’re right
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  You're not exactly selling it.
  - data-ottawa 3y ago
    I’m not going to sing praises that it’s a perfect drop in replacement. It’s a pretty good replacement for Reddit, and the community that’s forming seems good so far.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    If you're looking for a one stop reddit replacement you're not going to find it. As such, I don't think selling the fediverse as "reddit without the BS" is an honest or even reasonable comparison. You're going to have to stick with reddit and give replacements a dew years for the dust to settle before asking that question.
- imjlu 3y ago
  > just like how reddit was notoriously down all the time years ago Heh as if it ever stopped...
ahelwer 3y ago
This is learned helplessness acquired from the past decade where the internet became five megacorp websites. No different from your siblings or parents saying they aren't good at computers. It isn't a complex system. You are surely capable of figuring it out.
KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago
I can't vouch for the quality but squabbles.io has gained some traction, and likely more after today
embik 3y ago
This seems to be a very common sentiment that is not stated that clearly often, but it makes me very sad to read it. The magic of the internet, once upon a time, was discovering content in your own time. You stumbled into that cool niche forum, found someone’s personal blog, a flash game page. It didn’t need big centralised services to be fun. Internet users have become consumers and want to be fed content. I do not understand this sentiment at all. It feels like we are all addicted to the easy dopamine kicks of scrolling Reddit/Facebook/Twitter now.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
  I think it's correlated to the failure of search engines. There is no way to discover content anymore, long gone are the days where some expert's blog would appear prominently when searching a topic. Now all the results are people trying to sell you something. Reddit has replaced google (more or less) for a lot of people. The only functional search engine nowadays is marginalia.
  - Libcat99 3y ago
    This is exactly the issue. Search is useless, just like Amazon is useless. 5 years ago even the internet as a whole at least felt functional. Today everything feels like a giant scam.
- sdrinf 3y ago
  Preface: I'd like for the fediverse to win, active on both mastodon, and reading lemmy; however, economies of scale in the present Internet does not favor that outcome: * What we want is high signal/noise ratio. * In the magic old internet, the bar for signal was relatively low, because it competed with books, and TV. * The competition over attention has raised the bar over what "good content" looks like. * Content like that don't materialize out of thin air, but needs an audience to keep it alive, and to grow, and select, and feedback * The re-fragmentation of internet communities risks loss of economies of scale for the content creators to create or maintain high-quality gems. Let's take something specific, say furry artists. Their content loop for reddit was: post cute pics on r/furry, if it hits quality bar, gets upvoted, and seen by ~1000s of people; 0.1% of those will commission a new drawing, draw the thing, get paid, post it on reddit, close the loop. In a re-fragmented Internet: 1, a lot less people will be able to find those "gem forums" focused around a topic, and they won't browse it daily; and 2, the artist needs to spam their stuff to all the communities to get the fraction of traffic they have on reddit. The outcome from this re-fragmentation _in our present time_ will be the "hallowing of the middle", the "hobbyists scaling towards professional", and people who are just really into the thing, and make some money on the side. In a re-fragmented Internet, you are either a fully professional -with competent marketing team- or you're doing it for the ~20 people sharing the same forum. I understand that many people are expressing explicit preferences for there to be only that 20 people they chat with, or only the hobbyist / geeks to participate and _I'm happy for them_. What I'm claiming above, is that this will kick the professional ladder out for upcoming people to build - show - get attention for their stuff. And that creates a less magical Internet.
realitythreek 3y ago
This isn’t exactly how Reddit worked either though. Each subreddit is a community with its own rules. I’d also not exactly how fediverse works except for direct links. You read posts/comments from your instance. Mastodon should figure out an extension to simply redirect links to your instance. It would remove a lot of confusion.

data-ottawa 3y ago

For what it's worth, Lemmy and kbin are very much the v1 of the fediverse, the UIs and servers are improving quickly as they break (just like how reddit was notoriously down all the time years ago). After you sign up you don't have to care much about servers or instances, just tap "all". I don't think it will be long before someone comes into this space with a good UI and the community that reddit just marooned and turns it into gold.

spombg 3y ago
I hope you’re right
mvdtnz 3y ago
You're not exactly selling it.
- data-ottawa 3y ago
  I’m not going to sing praises that it’s a perfect drop in replacement. It’s a pretty good replacement for Reddit, and the community that’s forming seems good so far.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  If you're looking for a one stop reddit replacement you're not going to find it. As such, I don't think selling the fediverse as "reddit without the BS" is an honest or even reasonable comparison. You're going to have to stick with reddit and give replacements a dew years for the dust to settle before asking that question.
imjlu 3y ago
> just like how reddit was notoriously down all the time years ago Heh as if it ever stopped...

ahelwer 3y ago

This is learned helplessness acquired from the past decade where the internet became five megacorp websites. No different from your siblings or parents saying they aren't good at computers. It isn't a complex system. You are surely capable of figuring it out.

KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago

I can't vouch for the quality but squabbles.io has gained some traction, and likely more after today

embik 3y ago

This seems to be a very common sentiment that is not stated that clearly often, but it makes me very sad to read it. The magic of the internet, once upon a time, was discovering content in your own time. You stumbled into that cool niche forum, found someone’s personal blog, a flash game page. It didn’t need big centralised services to be fun. Internet users have become consumers and want to be fed content. I do not understand this sentiment at all. It feels like we are all addicted to the easy dopamine kicks of scrolling Reddit/Facebook/Twitter now.

ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
I think it's correlated to the failure of search engines. There is no way to discover content anymore, long gone are the days where some expert's blog would appear prominently when searching a topic. Now all the results are people trying to sell you something. Reddit has replaced google (more or less) for a lot of people. The only functional search engine nowadays is marginalia.
- Libcat99 3y ago
  This is exactly the issue. Search is useless, just like Amazon is useless. 5 years ago even the internet as a whole at least felt functional. Today everything feels like a giant scam.
sdrinf 3y ago
Preface: I'd like for the fediverse to win, active on both mastodon, and reading lemmy; however, economies of scale in the present Internet does not favor that outcome: * What we want is high signal/noise ratio. * In the magic old internet, the bar for signal was relatively low, because it competed with books, and TV. * The competition over attention has raised the bar over what "good content" looks like. * Content like that don't materialize out of thin air, but needs an audience to keep it alive, and to grow, and select, and feedback * The re-fragmentation of internet communities risks loss of economies of scale for the content creators to create or maintain high-quality gems. Let's take something specific, say furry artists. Their content loop for reddit was: post cute pics on r/furry, if it hits quality bar, gets upvoted, and seen by ~1000s of people; 0.1% of those will commission a new drawing, draw the thing, get paid, post it on reddit, close the loop. In a re-fragmented Internet: 1, a lot less people will be able to find those "gem forums" focused around a topic, and they won't browse it daily; and 2, the artist needs to spam their stuff to all the communities to get the fraction of traffic they have on reddit. The outcome from this re-fragmentation _in our present time_ will be the "hallowing of the middle", the "hobbyists scaling towards professional", and people who are just really into the thing, and make some money on the side. In a re-fragmented Internet, you are either a fully professional -with competent marketing team- or you're doing it for the ~20 people sharing the same forum. I understand that many people are expressing explicit preferences for there to be only that 20 people they chat with, or only the hobbyist / geeks to participate and _I'm happy for them_. What I'm claiming above, is that this will kick the professional ladder out for upcoming people to build - show - get attention for their stuff. And that creates a less magical Internet.

realitythreek 3y ago

This isn’t exactly how Reddit worked either though. Each subreddit is a community with its own rules. I’d also not exactly how fediverse works except for direct links. You read posts/comments from your instance. Mastodon should figure out an extension to simply redirect links to your instance. It would remove a lot of confusion.