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If you care about this stuff, please at least give the fediverse a try. Yes it's inadequate right now in all kinds of ways. But the main reason is that not enou

by zmmmmm 3y ago

If you care about this stuff, please at least give the fediverse a try. Yes it's inadequate right now in all kinds of ways. But the main reason is that not enough people are there. It needs critical mass. Pick whatever you want - kbin, lemmy, mastodon. Go there, find your community (it will probably look very sad compared to Reddit). And contribute something positive - comment, post, whatever. If everybody just did that, we would kickstart something durable that couldn't be destroyed and take back the internet that everybody is pining for.

kaibee 3y ago
I tried to make a lemmy account on my phone in between errands. Couldn't figure it out. I'll give it a shot on desktop, and I want a reddit replacement, but I wonder how many other people are gonna go to the same effort. Maybe that's a feature though, an escape from eternal September.
- GuestHNUser 3y ago
  I joined kbin.social and have been pleasantly suprised with it. Everything I'm subscribed to there is slow moving at the moment, but frankly I find that pace refreshing. I've seen threads remain active for several days, which doesn't seem to happen anywhere else.
  - esperent 3y ago
    I tried to make a kbin.social account several times, and also lemmy.world, lemmy.social. They all take several minutes work to fill out the form, and then another few minutes waiting. Then they hang with no error message. It's tedious and I've given up trying to sign up for any of these new fedi-reddits. EDIT: ok, after reading some more of this thread I decided to have one more try. Sign up on squabbles.io took 2 minutes. Yay! EDIT 2: information density is so low on squabbles. Also, they already block all NSFW content - I'm not looking for porn, but I am looking for a community where people are free to share whatever kinds of content they like, including stuff that I don't like. There needs to be strong boundaries - nothing illegal, no racism etc. But the boundaries should be as broad as possible. Besides, NSFW means a lot more than just porn. Are we allowed to share dirty jokes there? Or important but horrible videos exposing war crimes? A community that decides to block all of this from the very beginning is not what I want. Although I can understand their reasoning and honestly if I was running the site I might we'll make the same decision.
- bluedemon 3y ago
  May want to try Squabbles.io too. Easier to figure out and it has a friendly community. It was featured on Product Hunt yesterday. It made it to the top 3.
  - 1270018080 3y ago
    Why is the UI so... terrible?
strunz 3y ago
Fediverse isn't it man. Whoever owns the server is in complete control of all the content and can delete it at any moment then you have to find a new server and start over. It only solves part of the the problem, not even accounting for how confusing it is to normal users.
- ghosty141 3y ago
  Thats the same for any website though?
- EGG_CREAM 3y ago
  There are plenty of good critiques of the Fediverse, but the one you just made it true of every single website.
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    Maybe they think the next "internet" needs to be entirely P2P or something? Either way Fediverse has its problems but it's the best "old internet" i've seen in a long time. Lemmy and Kbin are just the start. I'm excited to see where it goes. Developing for the Fediverse is fun, frankly.
- busymom0 3y ago
  That’s something I am trying to solve with my upcoming site LimeReader. The user data gets submitted to multiple servers and retrieved from multiple servers. Users can add their own servers if they like too. I was hoping to have the beta already but I am now hoping to have it out this weekend. For those curious, I am the developer of HACK, one of the top rated hacker news apps for iOS and Android. https://limereader.com/ https://limereader.com/
  - halfbrite 3y ago
    Love HACK. Would you be willing to add a Six Colors icon like Apollo has? Looking forward to LimeReader!
ativzzz 3y ago
That's the thing - what I like about reddit is that every single community is right there. I don't need to figure out a new complex system. It's a megaforum with every single subniche you can think of, without having to go to any other site or any other server I want a centralized megaforum. I don't care about federation or what technology it uses. I just want easy access to everything
- data-ottawa 3y ago
  For what it's worth, Lemmy and kbin are very much the v1 of the fediverse, the UIs and servers are improving quickly as they break (just like how reddit was notoriously down all the time years ago). After you sign up you don't have to care much about servers or instances, just tap "all". I don't think it will be long before someone comes into this space with a good UI and the community that reddit just marooned and turns it into gold.
  - spombg 3y ago
    I hope you’re right
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    You're not exactly selling it.
    - data-ottawa 3y ago
      I’m not going to sing praises that it’s a perfect drop in replacement. It’s a pretty good replacement for Reddit, and the community that’s forming seems good so far.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      If you're looking for a one stop reddit replacement you're not going to find it. As such, I don't think selling the fediverse as "reddit without the BS" is an honest or even reasonable comparison. You're going to have to stick with reddit and give replacements a dew years for the dust to settle before asking that question.
bentcorner 3y ago
I never really got into twitter but mastodon is quite nice. Lemmy/kbin still have some rough edges in their UI but given enough time I think they'll get there. If any of the big ex-reddit apps turn to the fediverse I think it'll give these communities a big boost.
soligern 3y ago
No, that stuff is nonsensical. I don’t want to browse servers and keep a list etc. The federated stuff will never take off and in a way I hope it doesn’t, all that content locked away on personal servers that can go away at a whim.
mvdtnz 3y ago
I'm not even slightly interested in the "fediverse". My impression is that most of the people involved are more interested in the ideology of decentralisation and the technology than they are about community building. I don't care even slightly about decentralisation. The focus is to the clear detriment of the product itself.
- FireInsight 3y ago
  This shows you have not been on the fediverse and certainly have not indulged with communities mostly populated by long-time fedizens who view it as a place from their community to their community. There is a lot of feeling of community, inside instances, wider subcommunities, with a great example being the push to pre-emptively block all Meta instances and projects.
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    I have Mastodon and Lemmy accounts but thanks for your concern.
codingdave 3y ago
> Yes it's inadequate right now in all kinds of ways. But the main reason is that not enough people are there. You have that backwards. Not enough people are there because it is inadequate in all kinds of ways.

by zmmmmm 3y ago

kaibee 3y ago

I tried to make a lemmy account on my phone in between errands. Couldn't figure it out. I'll give it a shot on desktop, and I want a reddit replacement, but I wonder how many other people are gonna go to the same effort. Maybe that's a feature though, an escape from eternal September.

GuestHNUser 3y ago
I joined kbin.social and have been pleasantly suprised with it. Everything I'm subscribed to there is slow moving at the moment, but frankly I find that pace refreshing. I've seen threads remain active for several days, which doesn't seem to happen anywhere else.
- esperent 3y ago
  I tried to make a kbin.social account several times, and also lemmy.world, lemmy.social. They all take several minutes work to fill out the form, and then another few minutes waiting. Then they hang with no error message. It's tedious and I've given up trying to sign up for any of these new fedi-reddits. EDIT: ok, after reading some more of this thread I decided to have one more try. Sign up on squabbles.io took 2 minutes. Yay! EDIT 2: information density is so low on squabbles. Also, they already block all NSFW content - I'm not looking for porn, but I am looking for a community where people are free to share whatever kinds of content they like, including stuff that I don't like. There needs to be strong boundaries - nothing illegal, no racism etc. But the boundaries should be as broad as possible. Besides, NSFW means a lot more than just porn. Are we allowed to share dirty jokes there? Or important but horrible videos exposing war crimes? A community that decides to block all of this from the very beginning is not what I want. Although I can understand their reasoning and honestly if I was running the site I might we'll make the same decision.
bluedemon 3y ago
May want to try Squabbles.io too. Easier to figure out and it has a friendly community. It was featured on Product Hunt yesterday. It made it to the top 3.
- 1270018080 3y ago
  Why is the UI so... terrible?

strunz 3y ago

Fediverse isn't it man. Whoever owns the server is in complete control of all the content and can delete it at any moment then you have to find a new server and start over. It only solves part of the the problem, not even accounting for how confusing it is to normal users.

ghosty141 3y ago
Thats the same for any website though?
EGG_CREAM 3y ago
There are plenty of good critiques of the Fediverse, but the one you just made it true of every single website.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Maybe they think the next "internet" needs to be entirely P2P or something? Either way Fediverse has its problems but it's the best "old internet" i've seen in a long time. Lemmy and Kbin are just the start. I'm excited to see where it goes. Developing for the Fediverse is fun, frankly.
busymom0 3y ago
That’s something I am trying to solve with my upcoming site LimeReader. The user data gets submitted to multiple servers and retrieved from multiple servers. Users can add their own servers if they like too. I was hoping to have the beta already but I am now hoping to have it out this weekend. For those curious, I am the developer of HACK, one of the top rated hacker news apps for iOS and Android. https://limereader.com/ https://limereader.com/
- halfbrite 3y ago
  Love HACK. Would you be willing to add a Six Colors icon like Apollo has? Looking forward to LimeReader!

ativzzz 3y ago

That's the thing - what I like about reddit is that every single community is right there. I don't need to figure out a new complex system. It's a megaforum with every single subniche you can think of, without having to go to any other site or any other server I want a centralized megaforum. I don't care about federation or what technology it uses. I just want easy access to everything

data-ottawa 3y ago
For what it's worth, Lemmy and kbin are very much the v1 of the fediverse, the UIs and servers are improving quickly as they break (just like how reddit was notoriously down all the time years ago). After you sign up you don't have to care much about servers or instances, just tap "all". I don't think it will be long before someone comes into this space with a good UI and the community that reddit just marooned and turns it into gold.
- spombg 3y ago
  I hope you’re right
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  You're not exactly selling it.
  - data-ottawa 3y ago
    I’m not going to sing praises that it’s a perfect drop in replacement. It’s a pretty good replacement for Reddit, and the community that’s forming seems good so far.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    If you're looking for a one stop reddit replacement you're not going to find it. As such, I don't think selling the fediverse as "reddit without the BS" is an honest or even reasonable comparison. You're going to have to stick with reddit and give replacements a dew years for the dust to settle before asking that question.

bentcorner 3y ago

I never really got into twitter but mastodon is quite nice. Lemmy/kbin still have some rough edges in their UI but given enough time I think they'll get there. If any of the big ex-reddit apps turn to the fediverse I think it'll give these communities a big boost.

soligern 3y ago

No, that stuff is nonsensical. I don’t want to browse servers and keep a list etc. The federated stuff will never take off and in a way I hope it doesn’t, all that content locked away on personal servers that can go away at a whim.

mvdtnz 3y ago

I'm not even slightly interested in the "fediverse". My impression is that most of the people involved are more interested in the ideology of decentralisation and the technology than they are about community building. I don't care even slightly about decentralisation. The focus is to the clear detriment of the product itself.

FireInsight 3y ago
This shows you have not been on the fediverse and certainly have not indulged with communities mostly populated by long-time fedizens who view it as a place from their community to their community. There is a lot of feeling of community, inside instances, wider subcommunities, with a great example being the push to pre-emptively block all Meta instances and projects.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  I have Mastodon and Lemmy accounts but thanks for your concern.

codingdave 3y ago

> Yes it's inadequate right now in all kinds of ways. But the main reason is that not enough people are there. You have that backwards. Not enough people are there because it is inadequate in all kinds of ways.