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They Won't Play a Lady-O on Country Radio

13 points by colinprince 3y ago

chomp 3y ago
previously https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36055902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36055902
karaterobot 3y ago
I think these radio stations are pretty mercenary, driven by profit seeking rather than ideology. I think if there was a buck to be made, they'd play back-to-back female artists all day, every day. I assume the stations are (modulo basic incompetence) playing what keeps their audiences listening the longest. It's trivial to say "oh look, there isn't enough representation on the airwaves", but unless you have a convincing argument that more representation would bring in more revenue, why would they listen? The FCC is not going to mandate it on the basis of the public good, go ahead and put that out of your mind.
- mbreese 3y ago
  I think the point is that this is a self-fulfilling prophesy. There isn't much airplay, which makes the industry invest less in women artists, which in turn means there are fewer songs by women available to play, thus less airtime. I would agree that it's not ideology driven, but there is a large risk that the stations are trapped in a local minima. Without more diversity of programming (and ownership), it's hard to know if the old rules are the most profitable rules. With media ownership consolidation, it's harder to add enough entropy to the system to really know.
  - bjt 3y ago
    By comparison, here's the top 50 country songs on Spotify, where users pick for themselves what they want to listen to instead of having radio stations pick for them. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7aUUBCKwo4Y https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7aUUBCKwo4Y A quick scan shows me about 10% female singers.
    - GloomyBoots 3y ago
      Very different audience TBF. I’d imagine country radio listeners skew far older and more male than Spotify country listeners.
      - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
        Not necessarily, my grandma can barely work a tablet but can tell her Alexa to play “country music from the 60s”.
  - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    And that’s the core issue here, media consolidation. Local news companies, radios, even some businesses you may not expect are all backed by large corporations that bulk-buy stations. It’s very hard to find independent local businesses in media because A) rich people love controlling the populace and B) a lot of this benefits from economies of scale, which is unfortunate. For instance music licensing, then sub-licensing, is a very good way to redistribute music legally.

13 points by colinprince 3y ago

previously https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36055902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36055902

I think these radio stations are pretty mercenary, driven by profit seeking rather than ideology. I think if there was a buck to be made, they'd play back-to-back female artists all day, every day. I assume the stations are (modulo basic incompetence) playing what keeps their audiences listening the longest. It's trivial to say "oh look, there isn't enough representation on the airwaves", but unless you have a convincing argument that more representation would bring in more revenue, why would they listen? The FCC is not going to mandate it on the basis of the public good, go ahead and put that out of your mind.

mbreese 3y ago
I think the point is that this is a self-fulfilling prophesy. There isn't much airplay, which makes the industry invest less in women artists, which in turn means there are fewer songs by women available to play, thus less airtime. I would agree that it's not ideology driven, but there is a large risk that the stations are trapped in a local minima. Without more diversity of programming (and ownership), it's hard to know if the old rules are the most profitable rules. With media ownership consolidation, it's harder to add enough entropy to the system to really know.
- bjt 3y ago
  By comparison, here's the top 50 country songs on Spotify, where users pick for themselves what they want to listen to instead of having radio stations pick for them. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7aUUBCKwo4Y https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX7aUUBCKwo4Y A quick scan shows me about 10% female singers.
  - GloomyBoots 3y ago
    Very different audience TBF. I’d imagine country radio listeners skew far older and more male than Spotify country listeners.
    - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
      Not necessarily, my grandma can barely work a tablet but can tell her Alexa to play “country music from the 60s”.
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  And that’s the core issue here, media consolidation. Local news companies, radios, even some businesses you may not expect are all backed by large corporations that bulk-buy stations. It’s very hard to find independent local businesses in media because A) rich people love controlling the populace and B) a lot of this benefits from economies of scale, which is unfortunate. For instance music licensing, then sub-licensing, is a very good way to redistribute music legally.