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All Pocket accounts will be converted to Firefox accounts
- pessimizer 3y agoAll Youtube and Gmail accounts will be converted to Google+ accounts...
- black_puppydog 3y agoThat was my immediate reaction, too. I guess for me the difference is that if my firefox account goes away tomorrow, it is an issue I can resolve by making a new one. It's annoying but it doesn't concern anyone but me. Losing access to my gmail address because of some youtube fuckup, now there's something that disrupts my communications with others and is hard to recover from.
- fsckboy 3y agothat's the Buzz I heard too! I guess it's the next Wave
- davidwritesbugs 3y agoooooh BURN.
- booi 3y agoThis sounds like a good thing imo. Pocket is a great tool that should be fully integrated
- cobertos 3y agoWell, it sounds like it's still going to have extensions for all the other browsers. Im not sure if the integration is changing other than the auth method to pocket. I'd rather it not become any more integrated, I just want to browse the web and use extensions for additions like this.
- krono 3y agoWhat's there to integrate, really? You click a button, the URL of your current opened page is transmitted to their service along with your user ID, they scrape the page content, and voila.
- autoexec 3y agopocket is a... well, it's a tool anyway, that never should have been anything but an add-on. Including it in the browser was one of the biggest signs that firefox was willing to sacrifice their user's privacy and security for revenue. If people are fine with telling Pocket what they read and letting them push related ads at them all day they should absolutely have that choice, but it should never have been shoved on everyone. Firefox Sync already had a Reading List which was encrypted and open source, they really didn't need to bundle a third-party proprietary cloud service that required an account and increased attack surface (https://web.archive.org/web/20150818175419/https://www.gnu.gl/blog/Posts/multiple-vulnerabilities-in-pocket/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150818175419/https://www.gnu.g...). People who wanted pocket, and found it valuable would still be just as well off with it as an add-on, everyone else would have been spared the extra trouble of disabling it. Firefox is still the best browser in terms of privacy and security but only after you make an ever growing number of about:config changes, many of which exist only to remove or disable anti-features added by Mozilla. I really wish Mozilla would embrace privacy, security, and customization as what (apart from the rendering engine, which most users will never be aware of) truly differentiates them from chrome and every other popular browser which are also chrome, but again and again their choices are in direct opposition to those very same principles
- bscphil 3y ago> If people are fine with telling Pocket what they read I don't believe the ads shown in Firefox require sending any browsing history to the web (whether to Firefox or anyone else). The mechanism used here is different. I do agree with you that pushing ads into the browser chrome by default is abhorrent (a judgment compounded with the fact that they initially pretended that these weren't ads).
- pseudalopex 3y agoSaving pages to Pocket tells Mozilla what you read though. Reading List did not.
- bscphil 3y ago
- pottertheotter 3y agoPocket was a great tool until the released a new iOS app the other month. The app has only a fraction of the features in the prior app.
- Simulacra 3y agoThis is disappointing. I love Pocket but I don't trust Mozilla, I will not use a Firefox account, and this ends my subscription.
- LanternLight83 3y agolol, I see this the other way around; Cheers to consumer choice!
- amarshall 3y agoPocket has been owned by Mozilla since 2017; why didn’t you end your subscription then?
- Simulacra 3y agoBecause it was just owned then, I disagree with further integration.
- Karellen 3y agoBut if you don't trust Mozilla, what made you think that further integration wasn't already going on without you knowing?
- asadotzler 3y agoPocket has been integrated into Mozilla for quite a while. Your efforts are either misplaced or extremely late.
- cxr 3y agoBoy, the lack of self-awareness in this response is something. Semi-annual PSA: Pocket was supposed to have been open sourced when Mozilla bought them out. Spoiler alert: it isn't. On the other hand, maybe we should give the parties involved the benefit of the doubt. These things take time, after all—the change in ownership was only announced in 2017. (Perhaps the person you're responding to has a perspective on tardiness that has been influenced by Mozilla Corporation's relationship with the concept.)
- vorpalhex 3y agoEven though I have a firefox account, I'm glad I have moved off Pocket (to Readwise Reader). I don't want all my accounts joined. I don't want a threat model where being locked out of one service takes down everything, especially when that service has no support. This applies to gmail and Mozilla equally.
- suddenclarity 3y agoIt will be $8 a month if you signup during the beta and pay yearly. Seems kinda steep if you're just using Pocket as a "read later" tool that scrapes the page.
- vorpalhex 3y agoReadwise is absolutely high end power user software, and not just a "read it later" service. If you need it's features, it's worth it. I really like all of my highlights syncing to my obsidian notes, the ability to use a single source for rss/epubs/webpages/pdf/etc and having an AI assistant to throw at tasks. If you want a free, more direct pocket clone, check out wallabag: https://github.com/wallabag/wallabag https://github.com/wallabag/wallabag
- suddenclarity 3y agoAlright, I interpreted their page as if it was a different service with a separate subscription.
- Jaepa 3y agoReadwise looks really good, but I have a hard time understanding the value proposition. For the full application with the Readwise Reader it is 9 dollars a month. Then again its certainly worth more than a blue check-mark.
- pottertheotter 3y agoI recently switched after years of using Pocket. The first thing that made me switch was Pocket rebuilt their iOS app but with only a few of the features. Many things, such as highlighting, were left out and support says they will be built sometime later. The second is the parsing seems to work much better. Also, I can subscribe to RSS feeds or sign up to email newsletters so that they go directly to Readwise Reader.
- muxator 3y agoAt the dawn of browser sync technologies, it was possible to self host a Firefox sync server. I think I remember there was a component for authentication and one for storage proper. You could use each one of them, or both. Is this still a thing? How would today's firefox handle a custom sync server?
- zerocrates 3y agoAs far as I know you can still self-host Firefox sync.
- depereo 3y agoIt'd handle it fine, considering that's still an option. The account hosting side of things is a little trickier but it's doable. https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-sync-1.5.html https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run...
- ano-ther 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569
- drdaeman 3y agoTheoretically - yes. Practically, it's poorly documented clusterfuck of very confused technologies (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18448125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18448125). I hope they've possibly sorted that out over the years, but I don't have much hopes. Although they seem to went monorepo for FxA stuff (IIRC, it used to be that Accounts and Content services were separate). Still, no end-user docs - best you can get is assorted bunch of articles aimed at developers: https://mozilla.github.io/ecosystem-platform/tutorials/development-setup https://mozilla.github.io/ecosystem-platform/tutorials/devel... - summing it up, it's a project that no one seem to have ever meant to be able to use outside of Mozilla, an ability to self-host it is an accident. It used that one could've host a single simple program and have everything working. After switch to Firefox Accounts, trying to deploy all those services and their dependencies (and keeping up as it grew) quickly became complicated. I used to maintain my own half-assed almost-all-in-one re-implementation (https://gitlab.com/drdaeman/firesync https://gitlab.com/drdaeman/firesync, still required Kinto as a dependency), but I gave up.
- politelemon 3y agoFor a while there was an announcement that pocket would stop working on kobo devices, due to this announcement. But now it seems kobo will be given an extension and will make their pocket integration work with Firefox accounts.
- m-p-3 3y agoAnd they almost fubar'd the Pocket integration witht the Kobo eReaders in the process.
- jacquesm 3y agoBrowsers shouldn't have accounts to begin with.
- feyman_r 3y agoWhere does one store favorite links so I can handle them on phone and two separate machines?
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoYou value the syncing browser accounts offer. Personally I like being able to go between several of my own computers and not have all settings synced. It's not a fresh slate situation but it is a bit freeing to not carry all my digital baggage all the time.
- pseudalopex 3y agoGood for you. Firefox accounts are optional.
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoIndeed. I happen to know this because I use Firefox on a daily basis and have never once been pestered to use one.
- pseudalopex 3y agoSo a browser with accounts works for you. So your comment was irrelevant.
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoWow, you sure got me. You want a medal or something?
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- pyrophane 3y agoSeems like pocket is losing a lot of its value due to more sites not working with its article view. I've stopped using it because of that and also because it doesn't work well for pages that aren't articles and I didn't like having to maintain multiple bookmarking tools. That being said, if it was more integrated with Firefox and Firefox's bookmarking tools, that might make it compelling for me again, so maybe this is a good thing....
- Ntrails 3y agoI hate the way pocket was just plonked in as a feature i never wanted along side a bunch of splash screens. Gits
- digging 3y agoI was also upset at that, but I decided to give Pocket a go. it wasn't bad. and then they changed it so that the Pocket section of the home screen couldn't be collapsed, and it became a problem. see I want it to be there as an option, but I wanted it collapsed by default - otherwise, it's too distracting when I'm just opening a new tab to search for something. so I disabled Pocket and don't use it anymore. Gits
- simondotau 3y agoWhen reading your replies I choose to think that “gits” is hacker news slang for using git to check out the source code, patch the offending behaviour, and compile it yourself.
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- andrewstuart 3y agoI love Pocket. It's the only bookmarking tool I ever stuck with. I also use Firefox as my main browser.
- criddell 3y agoI want to love Pocket, but I just can’t. Every time I open it, all I see is a lot of work that past me wanted future me to do. I’ve stopped using it because I’m trying to be kinder to future me.
- themadturk 3y agoI've loved Pocket as well, but I didn't like paying $45 a year for it. It was more of a bookmarking service for me than an actual read-it-later site. Now that I've found Raindrop.io, which works fine for me on the free tier, I can save a little money and have better organization than Pocket gave me.
- fefe23 3y agoHey Mozilla, have you considered that maybe I don't want to open an account? In fact I don't want to open accounts with anyone. Not with social media, not with newspapers, certainly not newsletters. Accounts allow better tracking that cookies, and cookies are now regulated. If a web site tries to get me to open an account, it will reflect poorly on my view of them, and I will be less inclined to come back. I only opened an account here after years of lurking and trust building and I still only log on if I want to comment or upvote something.
- felipelemos 3y ago> In fact I don't want to open accounts with anyone Then it's not and issue for you, as you probably didn't want to open an account with pocket in first place, right?
- mistercheph 3y ago>> In fact I don't want to open accounts with anyone >Then it's not and issue for you, as you probably didn't want to open an account with pocket in first place, right? Then it's not an issue for you, as you probably didn't want him to want to open an account with pocket in the first place in the first place, right?
- felipelemos 3y agoSometimes one gets tired of endless complaining.
- lawgimenez 3y agoI have been iMessaging myself as my read it later methodology. It has worked quite very well for me.
- brewdad 3y agoI’ve done the same with Signal’s Note to Self.
- user6723 3y agoI have a script that runs in the background and exports my bookmarks, merges them with the existing file, then syncs that file over Syncthing. I am not sharing my bookmarks with Mozilla, I am way too smart for that.
- ochronus 3y agoMoved to Matter - https://hq.getmatter.com https://hq.getmatter.com - never looked back.
- torsday 3y agoWhat do you like about it?
- timetraveller26 3y agoI think maybe this would be finally the year I stop paying for Pocket. It kinda worked to quickly save items but I have always wanted it to be better at organizing items. Tagging is a hassle and even though it has suggested tags most of the time they are not useful, and also you have to apply them individually! Lately they added Lists, which I don't know how is different from pinned tags, adding more confusion. Also I am not really sure, but I think the search functionality don't work reliably. I just hope wallabag or Matter don't just let my unreaded links rot.
- mariusor 3y agoI used it for synchronizing web series to my Kobo reader, and indeed the lack of proper organization makes large amounts of items a very tedious task.