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AlmaLinux should just start their own RHEL, with blackjack and hookers... They have a company behind them, they have values, so why ride Red Hats coattails? St

AlmaLinux should just start their own RHEL, with blackjack and hookers... They have a company behind them, they have values, so why ride Red Hats coattails? Start your own distro. They could even try and make it somewhat compatible with RHEL, in the sense that famous proprietary software like EMC and Dell stuff could run on it. A lot of times it's just a matter of having the right RPMs, environments and strings in all the right places to get them to run.

jacooper 3y ago
You mean cloudlinux? They are already forging their own way, giving up on RHEL 1:1 compatibility in the process. https://blog.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux-os-8-and-9-in-post-redhat-world https://blog.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux-os-8-and-9-in-post-re...
- gbraad 3y ago
  that is with a big 'if'. but honestly, they should. differentiate and add value. not just copy and reproduce something you can't control
vbezhenar 3y ago
Nobody needs yet another linux distro. People want free RHEL.
- davisr 3y ago
  Red Hat's Mike McGrath explains [1]: > Anyone is allowed to create an account, get GPL'ed code and redistribute that code as much as they want according to the license. But they don't actually want the code because as I've said over and over, its not about the code (Free as in freedom). The code is out there (as proven by the fact that none of these rebuilders stopped nor will they stop) [1]: https://teddit.net/r/linux/comments/14l2t86/im_done_with_red_hat_enterprise_linux/jq4zgh6/?context=10 https://teddit.net/r/linux/comments/14l2t86/im_done_with_red... It's clear that all the misinformation about RHEL, misinterpretations of the GPL, et al. are not actually about those issues. There is a concerted effort to attack Red Hat. Become familiar with the "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation" [2] and you will see them everywhere. [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin.com/raw/irj4Fyd5 https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin....
  - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    > There is a concerted effort to attack Red Hat. Red Hat is the one who put it behind a wall to begin with. You reap what you sow.
    - davisr 3y ago
      They haven't put anything behind a wall. You want CentOS Stream and RHEL source code? Then go get it! Here it is! [1] [1]: https://git.centos.org/ https://git.centos.org/ When you buy RHEL, you even get the entire source code on a DVD for the exact binary distribution that you download.
      - grosswait 3y ago
        https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-s...
      - creatonez 3y ago
        The repository you linked previously contained RHEL source code, but it is no longer being updated as of a few weeks ago. This is the entire thing being discussed. Really weird for you to be grandstanding about how misinformation is bad, while spreading it yourself.
        davisr 3y ago
        Sorry, here you go [1]. Last activity 28 minutes ago. [1]: https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream Additional docs: https://docs.centos.org/en-US/stream-contrib/techinfo/buildsystem/#_gitlab https://docs.centos.org/en-US/stream-contrib/techinfo/builds...
        creatonez 3y ago
        Close, but this is not RHEL source code.
silisili 3y ago
Ubuntu tried that, with AFAIK limited success. Yet another player would inevitably fizzle. Distros for a lot of corps are sticky. People just want their RPMs/scripts/etc to work, and not have to pay Red Hat. Hopefully this changes more with time to a more best-man-wins system, as there are a lot of really good distros out there already.
- deaddodo 3y ago
  > Ubuntu tried that, with AFAIK limited success. Yet another player would inevitably fizzle. They also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars shipping free install CDs to people all over the world and piggy-backing off of the Debian community's progress. All so they could (almost two decades later) put small dent into Red Hat's enterprise entrenchment. You would need to offer a significantly better product than RHEL, if you hoped to unseat them.
  - mistrial9 3y ago
    you are right, but there is news.. on AWS in go-go years, Ubuntu with easy defaults and permissive licenses became the number one installed VM .. by a very large margin. The numbers were not even close.. like 15x more daily volume of VMs on AWS than the next closest three or whatever.. look for yourself. That in turn begat the very hot breath of MSFT upon Ubuntu-Canonical, which shows in the boot signing keys for Ubuntu, the MSFT-private partition type in the disk installer, and the WSL. MSFT influences can be seen in the push for always-on snap with libc and unattended-upgrades phone home and the like.
    - deaddodo 3y ago
      Ubuntu is also more popular with home users by a good margin. That has absolutely nothing to do with enterprise entrenchment.
sliken 3y ago
Why split the community? Alma has been helping to improve the upstream already, why double the work to improve two distros instead of one?
brnt 3y ago
Why start your own RHEL (or fork of it), when you could help a friendly base such as Debian LTS?

jacooper 3y ago

You mean cloudlinux? They are already forging their own way, giving up on RHEL 1:1 compatibility in the process. https://blog.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux-os-8-and-9-in-post-redhat-world https://blog.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux-os-8-and-9-in-post-re...

gbraad 3y ago
that is with a big 'if'. but honestly, they should. differentiate and add value. not just copy and reproduce something you can't control

vbezhenar 3y ago

Nobody needs yet another linux distro. People want free RHEL.

davisr 3y ago
Red Hat's Mike McGrath explains [1]: > Anyone is allowed to create an account, get GPL'ed code and redistribute that code as much as they want according to the license. But they don't actually want the code because as I've said over and over, its not about the code (Free as in freedom). The code is out there (as proven by the fact that none of these rebuilders stopped nor will they stop) [1]: https://teddit.net/r/linux/comments/14l2t86/im_done_with_red_hat_enterprise_linux/jq4zgh6/?context=10 https://teddit.net/r/linux/comments/14l2t86/im_done_with_red... It's clear that all the misinformation about RHEL, misinterpretations of the GPL, et al. are not actually about those issues. There is a concerted effort to attack Red Hat. Become familiar with the "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation" [2] and you will see them everywhere. [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin.com/raw/irj4Fyd5 https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin....
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  > There is a concerted effort to attack Red Hat. Red Hat is the one who put it behind a wall to begin with. You reap what you sow.
  - davisr 3y ago
    They haven't put anything behind a wall. You want CentOS Stream and RHEL source code? Then go get it! Here it is! [1] [1]: https://git.centos.org/ https://git.centos.org/ When you buy RHEL, you even get the entire source code on a DVD for the exact binary distribution that you download.
    - grosswait 3y ago
      https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-s...
    - creatonez 3y ago
      The repository you linked previously contained RHEL source code, but it is no longer being updated as of a few weeks ago. This is the entire thing being discussed. Really weird for you to be grandstanding about how misinformation is bad, while spreading it yourself.
      - davisr 3y ago
        Sorry, here you go [1]. Last activity 28 minutes ago. [1]: https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream Additional docs: https://docs.centos.org/en-US/stream-contrib/techinfo/buildsystem/#_gitlab https://docs.centos.org/en-US/stream-contrib/techinfo/builds...
        creatonez 3y ago
        Close, but this is not RHEL source code.

silisili 3y ago

Ubuntu tried that, with AFAIK limited success. Yet another player would inevitably fizzle. Distros for a lot of corps are sticky. People just want their RPMs/scripts/etc to work, and not have to pay Red Hat. Hopefully this changes more with time to a more best-man-wins system, as there are a lot of really good distros out there already.

deaddodo 3y ago
> Ubuntu tried that, with AFAIK limited success. Yet another player would inevitably fizzle. They also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars shipping free install CDs to people all over the world and piggy-backing off of the Debian community's progress. All so they could (almost two decades later) put small dent into Red Hat's enterprise entrenchment. You would need to offer a significantly better product than RHEL, if you hoped to unseat them.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  you are right, but there is news.. on AWS in go-go years, Ubuntu with easy defaults and permissive licenses became the number one installed VM .. by a very large margin. The numbers were not even close.. like 15x more daily volume of VMs on AWS than the next closest three or whatever.. look for yourself. That in turn begat the very hot breath of MSFT upon Ubuntu-Canonical, which shows in the boot signing keys for Ubuntu, the MSFT-private partition type in the disk installer, and the WSL. MSFT influences can be seen in the push for always-on snap with libc and unattended-upgrades phone home and the like.
  - deaddodo 3y ago
    Ubuntu is also more popular with home users by a good margin. That has absolutely nothing to do with enterprise entrenchment.

sliken 3y ago

Why split the community? Alma has been helping to improve the upstream already, why double the work to improve two distros instead of one?

brnt 3y ago

Why start your own RHEL (or fork of it), when you could help a friendly base such as Debian LTS?