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The lawsuit seems to define the "private" data that was stolen as all the data that is publicly availably on the internet.
by changoplatanero 3y ago
The lawsuit seems to define the "private" data that was stolen as all the data that is publicly availably on the internet.
- Eji1700 3y agoI don't know enough about it, but wasn't the getty images case about this?
- Symmetry 3y agoImages are subject to copyright, which makes them different from facts about the world which aren't.
- pessimizer 3y agoFacts about the world like the image that I have on my website, or other facts about the world like my blogposts? Or facts about the world like my source code?
- objectivetruth 3y ago[dead]
- seydor 3y agoany data that is available on the internet is not necessarily public. it might be mistakenly openly available, just like someone might leave their car door open. also, hoovering up all available data on the net does not make them any less private
- ehnto 3y agoI have always wondered, is there legal precedent here? If someone were to ssh into your server without permission that's pretty obviously illegal access. But the web is just another protocol on another port, what makes it different? I certainly never said Google could crawl my website, and I would be surprised if the presence of a robots.txt file is written into law as a requirement to prove you didn't want them on your web properties. I feel like this must have been hashed out in lawsuits already, probably against search crawlers.
- seydor 3y agoi m sure a lot of people lobbied for this to not be legislated
- __loam 3y agoAnd I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong. For example, uploading a movie you don't have a copyright to to YouTube is illegal. That movie night be public data, but you don't have the permission of the copyright holder to copy that data. Publicly accessible =/= You having the right to do whatever you want with something.
- sgift 3y agoI'm too tired for a thorough search, but here's an article which states that an appeals court decided it's legal: https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/ IANAL and so on.
- littlestymaar 3y agoA French famous white hacker got condemned in French for publishing confidential information found through a Google search. The key thing in the case was that he undeniably aware that this was just a file server misconfiguration and that he wasn't supposed to be able to access it. If you want more info about the case you should look for the "affaire Bluetouff*.
- masom 3y agoLeaving your car door open isn't a great analogy. The internet is closer to leaving your own journal open at the library or a magazine store, and people going through it. You made it available for everyone to peek at in a public space. Maybe you didn't intent to leave it there, maybe you didn't intend to make it visible, but you did.
- seydor 3y agoyour car can be parked in a public street
- manuelmoreale 3y agoThat is a fair analogy but still, me leaving it there doesn’t grant you the right to copy down what’s written in it and use it for something else.
- supermatt 3y agoIndeed. Microsoft’s name and logo is published everywhere “in public” but you certainly can’t use them as your own. IP is still IP even when it’s publicly available.
- mavu 3y agoThe operative term is not "private" it's "stolen". But this is a nice setup for a straw man argument to distract people from the actual issue.
- lumost 3y agoNot all data on the internet is permissively licensed and copy righted. ChatGPT being able to give opinions derived from a 1992 article on the fall of the soviet union from the NYT ... is debatably subject to copy right. However practically, the ship has sailed on ChatGPT. We're not going to legislate away AI.
- littlestymaar 3y agoScrapping publically available personal informations, and keeping a database of it is already against GDPR and the likes, so it's not entierly unreasonnable. (Of course a LLM isn't exactly a database, but that'd likely be the main topic of the trial)
- mid-kid 3y agoExactly. How is this any different from how Google operates?
- jrm4 3y agoThat in no way renders the data "definitely not private?"
- jondwillis 3y agoIt seems to me that a more effective strategy would be for an entity like Reddit or Stackoverflow to initiate a lawsuit, as they may be able to better prove that their owned/user’s content was copied, terms of service were violated, etc.
- leovander 3y agoOpenAIs Sam Altman is on Reddit’s board, no? Don’t think Reddit would be starting anything. Next up, all content will be only viewable if you are signed in ala twitters change this morning.
- roughly 3y ago> Don’t think Reddit would be starting anything. The API changes and the ensuing chaos are at least in part because of OpenAI scraping Reddit’s content.
- leovander 3y agoSince Altman is on their board, its moreso other companies that aren't OpenAI that would be effected? OpenAI got what it needed; has their own straw in the milkshake, make it more expensive for anyone else. Purely conjecture obviously, but him being on both sides of that, not hard to see how all this becomes more favorable to his company making the moat wider for others.
- kuchenbecker 3y agoOpenAI is both asking to raise the barrier to entry of LLMs and closing off the data sources that made them successful.
- ThunderBee 3y agoSam is on record, and has even given lectures, stating the key to business success is monopolization. It seems rather obvious under his perspective to do everything possible to restrict access to all information that could be used to train an LLM. I understand Sam’s history with ycombinator gives him leniency around here but we seriously need to wake up to the fact that he’s attempting to monopolize the most powerful tool ever created. He talks a good game but if you pay attention to his actions it’s clear he is openly hostile towards the common good which he supposedly promotes. I see him in the same regard as I see any oligarch vying for public favor by ‘stealing’ billions, donating a few million, and riding off into the sunset being praised by media for how much of the ill gotten gains he’s given back.