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Just so things are clear, France is suspending all bus services in cities at night. Buses generally run city to suburbs routes and have been subjected to attack

Just so things are clear, France is suspending all bus services in cities at night. Buses generally run city to suburbs routes and have been subjected to attacks for the past few nights. Trains, which are the most used form of public transport in France, are still running. France currently has an issue with very young protesters (mostly teenagers) burning public infrastructures. Violence is still fairly limited. Riots might be a big word for what is happening.

random6754478 3y ago
Ok Bagdad Bob. Should we ignore all of the Lions released from zoo by the “youths”?
jl6 3y ago
IMHO burning schools, libraries and buses is violence.
- WastingMyTime89 3y ago
  Sure but the country is not a war zone. At the moment, actual physical violence is mostly limited to fights between young protesters and the police in some suburbs. It's the usual misguided answer to a sadly very real issue except it's harder to reason with kids.
  - paganel 3y ago
    “Kids” who play video-games, I presume. Macron’s paternalistic tone won’t help France one bit, it wasn’t “kids” who just beat two off-duty cops in Marseile (one of them was left unconscious on the street), it wasn’t a “kid” the guy screaming “les arabes vous enkulent!” while live-streaming the whole thing.
    - orwin 3y ago
      Depends on what you call 'kids'. To me it seems way different than 2005. I was working (illegally, I was 15 and unpaid) with my father in a 'quartier ZEP' to help kids do their homework (we also played sport, board games and taught 'La vie en communauté' in general). For some reasons, I'm at the same place 18 years later, and it's not the same public. I'm living right in front of were the 'chaos' was last night. It feels way younger (I might just be way older, but truth to be told, I don't think it's that), more diverse (not just concerning the skin color and the religion, more socially diverse especially), more frantic, more violent at times but less focused. That might end in like two days. It doesn't feel like the usual social crisis. I'm not sure it's social at all. It might be mostly generational. I think they are scared. Also, we're back to the 70s it seems. Michel Rocard's inheritance is definitely gone. I'm afraid we're becoming the US in Europe, it surely seems we're racing the British toward that goalpost.
    - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
      It's nothing to do with paternalism. Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher in the suburbs of Paris or has an actual understanding of what's happening gathered outside of the very right wing news channels could tell you that violence is now carried by younger and younger individuals. You can listen to Martin Aubry explaning what's happening in Lille for exemple. But sure, as usual, the average French (nowadays 50-ish, dubiously educated, enjoying a remarkable prosperity which decades of chronic mismanagement have made but a dream for their own children) will blame the "foreigners". The right will complain that the country is too laxist while ignoring the real issue of police violence and more broadly police management. The left will blame the government while ignoring that policies they themselves put in place are a large part of the social problems creating the current situation and remain in denial of, well, modernity. Peace will more or less be back in a fortnight and things will resume their usual course towards utter irrelevance and failure. Gosh, I hate this country.
- nisegami 3y ago
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  - lucasRW 3y ago
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- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  lmk when is the next funeral for a bus and I'll be there.
gsatic 3y ago
>×Riots might be a big word for what is happening. That's what Obelix always says.
lucasRW 3y ago
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- lucasRW 3y ago
  I will let all of you look for #nanterre on Twitter and see for yourself if what is happening is "riots" or not. :)
- christkv 3y ago
  Jovenlandia as they say in Spain
- WastingMyTime89 3y ago
  My advice is to stop watching CNews and go outside.
  - lucasRW 3y ago
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somedude895 3y ago
> Riots might be a big word for what is happening. I'm sorry what?
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  It's longer when you translate it into French.
lucasRW 3y ago
Concerts cancelled (Stade De France tonight), special units of police brought in, armored vehicules which we had never seen apart from actual war scenes, ... yeah, definitely no riots there.
- WastingMyTime89 3y ago
  Special units are called for everything nowadays. I live in Paris and police vans park in my street. Even for peaceful demonstrations, hundreds of armored policemen are brought in the city. That's a significant part of the issue actually with France insisting on using a demonstrably outdated and inappropriate way of policing. France intentionally kept apart from the work being done on policing by its European neighbours in the last two decades and is now paying the price.

random6754478 3y ago

Ok Bagdad Bob. Should we ignore all of the Lions released from zoo by the “youths”?

jl6 3y ago

IMHO burning schools, libraries and buses is violence.

WastingMyTime89 3y ago
Sure but the country is not a war zone. At the moment, actual physical violence is mostly limited to fights between young protesters and the police in some suburbs. It's the usual misguided answer to a sadly very real issue except it's harder to reason with kids.
- paganel 3y ago
  “Kids” who play video-games, I presume. Macron’s paternalistic tone won’t help France one bit, it wasn’t “kids” who just beat two off-duty cops in Marseile (one of them was left unconscious on the street), it wasn’t a “kid” the guy screaming “les arabes vous enkulent!” while live-streaming the whole thing.
  - orwin 3y ago
    Depends on what you call 'kids'. To me it seems way different than 2005. I was working (illegally, I was 15 and unpaid) with my father in a 'quartier ZEP' to help kids do their homework (we also played sport, board games and taught 'La vie en communauté' in general). For some reasons, I'm at the same place 18 years later, and it's not the same public. I'm living right in front of were the 'chaos' was last night. It feels way younger (I might just be way older, but truth to be told, I don't think it's that), more diverse (not just concerning the skin color and the religion, more socially diverse especially), more frantic, more violent at times but less focused. That might end in like two days. It doesn't feel like the usual social crisis. I'm not sure it's social at all. It might be mostly generational. I think they are scared. Also, we're back to the 70s it seems. Michel Rocard's inheritance is definitely gone. I'm afraid we're becoming the US in Europe, it surely seems we're racing the British toward that goalpost.
  - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
    It's nothing to do with paternalism. Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher in the suburbs of Paris or has an actual understanding of what's happening gathered outside of the very right wing news channels could tell you that violence is now carried by younger and younger individuals. You can listen to Martin Aubry explaning what's happening in Lille for exemple. But sure, as usual, the average French (nowadays 50-ish, dubiously educated, enjoying a remarkable prosperity which decades of chronic mismanagement have made but a dream for their own children) will blame the "foreigners". The right will complain that the country is too laxist while ignoring the real issue of police violence and more broadly police management. The left will blame the government while ignoring that policies they themselves put in place are a large part of the social problems creating the current situation and remain in denial of, well, modernity. Peace will more or less be back in a fortnight and things will resume their usual course towards utter irrelevance and failure. Gosh, I hate this country.
nisegami 3y ago
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- lucasRW 3y ago
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giraffe_lady 3y ago
lmk when is the next funeral for a bus and I'll be there.

gsatic 3y ago

>×Riots might be a big word for what is happening. That's what Obelix always says.

lucasRW 3y ago

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lucasRW 3y ago
I will let all of you look for #nanterre on Twitter and see for yourself if what is happening is "riots" or not. :)
christkv 3y ago
Jovenlandia as they say in Spain
WastingMyTime89 3y ago
My advice is to stop watching CNews and go outside.
- lucasRW 3y ago
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somedude895 3y ago

> Riots might be a big word for what is happening. I'm sorry what?

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
It's longer when you translate it into French.

lucasRW 3y ago

Concerts cancelled (Stade De France tonight), special units of police brought in, armored vehicules which we had never seen apart from actual war scenes, ... yeah, definitely no riots there.

WastingMyTime89 3y ago
Special units are called for everything nowadays. I live in Paris and police vans park in my street. Even for peaceful demonstrations, hundreds of armored policemen are brought in the city. That's a significant part of the issue actually with France insisting on using a demonstrably outdated and inappropriate way of policing. France intentionally kept apart from the work being done on policing by its European neighbours in the last two decades and is now paying the price.