3 ms·
I speak french, and I read the mentioned article of the law project and the part referenced in other laws, here are what I find useful to juge it : Basically,
by LelouBil 3y ago
I speak french, and I read the mentioned article of the law project and the part referenced in other laws, here are what I find useful to juge it :
Basically, if a website is deemed be illegal, a notification is sent to browser makers and to the website owner.
The website owner has 5 days to answer and defend themselves.
Browser makers are forced (as a cautionary measure) to make the browser display a warning upon browsing this website for 7 days following the initial notification. The warning should detail the danger of visiting this website.
If at any point the investigation deems the website is not doing illegal stuff, browser makers are sent another notification telling them to remove the warning.
If the investigation deems the website to be illegal, browser makers will have to block access to this website for 6 months.
If at any point the website is not doing illegal stuff anymore, the block will be removed.
Where I used "illegal" here I actually mean that the website is doing one of these things (explicitly written in the law/referenced laws):
- Identity Theft
- Illegally collecting personal data or using it in a illegal way
- Accessing or maintaining access to a restricted system (basically hacking)
- Collecting, giving access, or making tools that allow fraudulent payment.
If the owner of the website starts a complaint and starts defending themselves, all blocks are suspended for the duration of the procedure.
What I think of it :
It seems to be actually well intentioned given the restricted aim of what is an "illegal" website, it's not about piracy or anything. What is written in the law is really and exactly about websites that harm their users.
The only problem would be if this law gets more edits and starts including other types of infractions
- guilamu 3y ago"The only problem would be if this law gets more edits and starts including other types of infractions " This. Has we've seen so many times, this is a slipery slope and bad things will happen. Just these last few months, the gov is using antiterrorist laws to monitor / follow and jail environmental activist.
- still_grokking 3y agoHow do they plan to make the software vendors comply? I don't think my Firefox build by Debian would give a shit about any such list. And than, what? How could anybody even detect that I'm using an "illegal web browser"?
- marak830 3y agoI would argue that your installation isn't the target. Most good for the least effort style of thing(I am taking /referring to this at face value).
- 255kb 3y ago> - Illegally collecting personal data or using it in a illegal way In GDPR times, nearly every website is collecting personal data illegally (no clear consent, GA, US data transfers, etc.). Good luck to them to enforce this.
- tpxl 3y agoSo, riddle me this: If a website is found to be doing illegal shit beyond some reasonable doubt, why the fuck aren't these websites taken down and their operators arrested instead of showing some nebulous warning?
- hammyhavoc 3y agoYou assume that they know who and where the operator is for starters.
- hinata08 3y agoYou can't take down sites that are not within your borders or TLD, and if they don't cooperate. Also, something can be illegal in a place, but not in some other place. So the country where something is hosted can just apply their law. For a long time, torrent websites have been hosted in Sweden, for exemple, where they were fully legal. As long as they don't break laws in Sweden, they're fine. In the same fashion, China can't take down the sites it finds illegal at home. The UK will never take down felons at "BBC.com". China can only block them through the GFC
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y agoThe problem is of course, that this whole process will be automated. Think how youtube handles copyright or other complaints, but applied to the whole internet by law.