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> Samsung can pull off longer support because of Exynos and they have a lot of inhouse expertise > Apple can do it because they lock you into their walled gard

> Samsung can pull off longer support because of Exynos and they have a lot of inhouse expertise > Apple can do it because they lock you into their walled garden Samsung can do it because they're smart, but Apple does it because they're evil? Why doesn't Apple also have in house expertise? > Most manufacturers don't want to hire kernel and hardware devs. Qualcomm seems like a scapegoat here. Google surely has expertise here. Isn't this sorely on Google?

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
>Samsung can do it because they're smart, but Apple does it because they're evil? Nobody said Apple are doing it because they're are evil, calm down. Your parent said Apple can afford to give you longer support because they not only make money when they sell you the phone HW, they also keep making money from your iCloud, iTunes and every other third party subscription or SW you buy on Apple App store. Basically, they double dip and monetize you over the entire period of you owning the device. That's exactly what your parent said. Apple's walled garden affords them enough revenue to keep funding SW updates for your old Apple devices which Android makers can't do. All the other Android makers, apart from Google, don't make any other money after they sell you the phone HW, since Google is the one earning 30% off Playstore sales, not Samsung, or the others HW makers. Therefore they can't afford to pay teams of SW devs to keep pushing you SW updated for your old phone, so many years after you stopped giving them money, especially since they depend on Quallcomm and other semi vendors giving them up to date drivers, which they won't do for free since semi makers also want to sell newer chips rather than supporting older ones for free. Google could do like Apple in theory, since they own the whole ecosystem stack apart from the SoC and they do have the cash for it, but they don't want to do it because Google sucks at maintaining anything "old" long-term, especially HW, so they keep doing what Google does best and focus on the new shiny while sunsetting the older shinys. It's ironic that Samsung offers longer Andorid updates for their flagships S-series, than Google themselves do for the Pixels. That says everying about Google.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  No, Google just sucks at maintaining an ecosystem. Microsoft figured out how to license an OS to third party OEMs and still allow end users to update their hardware without depending on the vendor for literally decades. Heck I was able to just throw a Windows 7 CD in my old first gen Mac Mini x86 1.66Ghz Core Duo and run it for years after Apple dropped support.
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    >Microsoft figured out how to license an OS to third party OEMs and still allow end users to update their hardware without depending on the vendor for literally decades. You're cluelessly comparing apples to oranges. ARM smartphones, for better and for worse, are not like the Windows based IBM X86 PCs in any way when it comes to boot process, OS and drivers interactions. ARM SBCs which is what all smartphones are, are completely different than X86 PCs which have more open standards when it comes to booting and driver support, versus ARM where it's mostly proprietary blobs different from vendor to vendor.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      The standards are only “open” because Windows browbeat OEMs decades ago to conform to its requirements via WINHEC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Hardware_Engineering_Conference https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Hardware_Engineering...
  - nradov 3y ago
    Part of that is the OS kernel design. Unlike Linux, Windows has a stable device driver API which makes it easy for hardware vendors to release drivers separately and maintain them across versions.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      And there is absolutely nothing stopping Google from doing the same thing.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  If Google's making all the post-sale revenue from Samsung's hardware sales, then how is Samsung able to support older hardware?
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    Higher margins due to vertical integration and high volumes like Aplle, and maybe ads and kickbacks from preinstalled apps like Netflix and Microsoft?

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

>Samsung can do it because they're smart, but Apple does it because they're evil? Nobody said Apple are doing it because they're are evil, calm down. Your parent said Apple can afford to give you longer support because they not only make money when they sell you the phone HW, they also keep making money from your iCloud, iTunes and every other third party subscription or SW you buy on Apple App store. Basically, they double dip and monetize you over the entire period of you owning the device. That's exactly what your parent said. Apple's walled garden affords them enough revenue to keep funding SW updates for your old Apple devices which Android makers can't do. All the other Android makers, apart from Google, don't make any other money after they sell you the phone HW, since Google is the one earning 30% off Playstore sales, not Samsung, or the others HW makers. Therefore they can't afford to pay teams of SW devs to keep pushing you SW updated for your old phone, so many years after you stopped giving them money, especially since they depend on Quallcomm and other semi vendors giving them up to date drivers, which they won't do for free since semi makers also want to sell newer chips rather than supporting older ones for free. Google could do like Apple in theory, since they own the whole ecosystem stack apart from the SoC and they do have the cash for it, but they don't want to do it because Google sucks at maintaining anything "old" long-term, especially HW, so they keep doing what Google does best and focus on the new shiny while sunsetting the older shinys. It's ironic that Samsung offers longer Andorid updates for their flagships S-series, than Google themselves do for the Pixels. That says everying about Google.

scarface_74 3y ago
No, Google just sucks at maintaining an ecosystem. Microsoft figured out how to license an OS to third party OEMs and still allow end users to update their hardware without depending on the vendor for literally decades. Heck I was able to just throw a Windows 7 CD in my old first gen Mac Mini x86 1.66Ghz Core Duo and run it for years after Apple dropped support.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  >Microsoft figured out how to license an OS to third party OEMs and still allow end users to update their hardware without depending on the vendor for literally decades. You're cluelessly comparing apples to oranges. ARM smartphones, for better and for worse, are not like the Windows based IBM X86 PCs in any way when it comes to boot process, OS and drivers interactions. ARM SBCs which is what all smartphones are, are completely different than X86 PCs which have more open standards when it comes to booting and driver support, versus ARM where it's mostly proprietary blobs different from vendor to vendor.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    The standards are only “open” because Windows browbeat OEMs decades ago to conform to its requirements via WINHEC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Hardware_Engineering_Conference https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Hardware_Engineering...
- nradov 3y ago
  Part of that is the OS kernel design. Unlike Linux, Windows has a stable device driver API which makes it easy for hardware vendors to release drivers separately and maintain them across versions.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    And there is absolutely nothing stopping Google from doing the same thing.
madeofpalk 3y ago
If Google's making all the post-sale revenue from Samsung's hardware sales, then how is Samsung able to support older hardware?
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  Higher margins due to vertical integration and high volumes like Aplle, and maybe ads and kickbacks from preinstalled apps like Netflix and Microsoft?