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If they catch you using an illegal browser will you go to jail?

by DeathArrow 3y ago

hulitu 3y ago
No, but you will be a criminal.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  Don't they already consider you a criminal if you use an ad-blocker or Linux?
  - logicprog 3y ago
    Or especially Signal and Tor. But only if you're a leftist! Because leftists must of course be using those things to plot terrorism. Being a leftist while using privacy tech was a core part of the reasoning for the cops arresting those people.
    - decremental 3y ago
      [dead]
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  considering they're the same people who tortured my family i don't really put any weight in who they consider a 'criminal'
- still_grokking 3y ago
  So nothing new. To the state all hackers (in the original meaning of this word) have been criminals since forever. Knowledge and skill are very dangerous traits, you know? In Germany we have even dedicated anti-hacker legislation. Hacking stuff is indeed illegal. You may end up in jail for "hacking"… That's likely "the freedom" they are always talking here about in the west. /s
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > In Germany we have even dedicated anti-hacker legislation. Where can I read it (I grok German)
    - still_grokking 3y ago
      https://netzpolitik.org/2014/hackertools-im-it-sicherheitsgesetz/ https://netzpolitik.org/2014/hackertools-im-it-sicherheitsge... https://netzpolitik.org/2013/angriffe-auf-informationssysteme-eu-parlament-bringt-richtlinie-zu-europaweitem-hackerparagraf-auf-den-weg/ https://netzpolitik.org/2013/angriffe-auf-informationssystem... (Also the links there.) Or a more "official" statement (as the German Wikipedia is mostly in the hands of state authorities), with some groundless relativization: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbereiten_des_Aussp%C3%A4hens_und_Abfangens_von_Daten https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbereiten_des_Aussp%C3%A4hen... All "dual use" tools (like a simple port scanner!) can bring you into jail. That's a fact. The law doesn't have any exceptions for "friendly use"… (No matter what some "experts" cited on Wikipedia may say. That's just the usual German Wikipedia blow smoke…)
inkyoto 3y ago
And then there are always the good ol' pals that go by names of telnet and netcat: telnet www.example.com 80 GET /article.html Instant felony charges, huh?

If they catch you using an illegal browser will you go to jail?

hulitu 3y ago

No, but you will be a criminal.

csdvrx 3y ago
Don't they already consider you a criminal if you use an ad-blocker or Linux?
- logicprog 3y ago
  Or especially Signal and Tor. But only if you're a leftist! Because leftists must of course be using those things to plot terrorism. Being a leftist while using privacy tech was a core part of the reasoning for the cops arresting those people.
  - decremental 3y ago
    [dead]
BasedAnon 3y ago
considering they're the same people who tortured my family i don't really put any weight in who they consider a 'criminal'
still_grokking 3y ago
So nothing new. To the state all hackers (in the original meaning of this word) have been criminals since forever. Knowledge and skill are very dangerous traits, you know? In Germany we have even dedicated anti-hacker legislation. Hacking stuff is indeed illegal. You may end up in jail for "hacking"… That's likely "the freedom" they are always talking here about in the west. /s
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > In Germany we have even dedicated anti-hacker legislation. Where can I read it (I grok German)
  - still_grokking 3y ago
    https://netzpolitik.org/2014/hackertools-im-it-sicherheitsgesetz/ https://netzpolitik.org/2014/hackertools-im-it-sicherheitsge... https://netzpolitik.org/2013/angriffe-auf-informationssysteme-eu-parlament-bringt-richtlinie-zu-europaweitem-hackerparagraf-auf-den-weg/ https://netzpolitik.org/2013/angriffe-auf-informationssystem... (Also the links there.) Or a more "official" statement (as the German Wikipedia is mostly in the hands of state authorities), with some groundless relativization: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbereiten_des_Aussp%C3%A4hens_und_Abfangens_von_Daten https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbereiten_des_Aussp%C3%A4hen... All "dual use" tools (like a simple port scanner!) can bring you into jail. That's a fact. The law doesn't have any exceptions for "friendly use"… (No matter what some "experts" cited on Wikipedia may say. That's just the usual German Wikipedia blow smoke…)

inkyoto 3y ago

And then there are always the good ol' pals that go by names of telnet and netcat: telnet www.example.com 80 GET /article.html Instant felony charges, huh?