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Discrimination against Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, Mexican, Native American and more are not "imaginary harms". Are we in favor of reparations for every

by Alupis 3y ago

Discrimination against Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, Mexican, Native American and more are not "imaginary harms". Are we in favor of reparations for every group? Or is it just this one? Reparation talk is a way to buy votes - nothing more. It's a total non-starter if you dig into how you'd go about it... We can't pretend like handing people a pile of cash will suddenly solve all the issues the community endures today.

yawpitch 3y ago
> Discrimination against Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, Mexican, Native American and more are not "imaginary harms". Never implied they were. I implied that the harm felt by one’s “minority friends” being helped is a figment of one’s imagination… you then replied with a list of other minorities who will also be harmed by this absurdly idiotic ruling. > Are we in favor of reparations for every group? Or is it just this one? We can safely start with the victims of chattel slavery — at the very least those who signed up to fight and die for a government that promised 40 acres and a mule and then reneged on that (extremely minimal) token — and then widen the net to those who also can make a legitimate call for reparation. > Reparation talk is a way to buy votes - nothing more. It's a total non-starter if you dig into how you'd go about it... It’s really not… if reparation had been made in a timely fashion it wouldn’t be nearly so difficult now, and even today just the very doable token of 40 literal acres and a morally equivalent mule (with interest, and a sincere apology) to the descendants of those for whom clear records exist would be a welcome token step in the right direction. Truth and reconciliation don’t mean wiping out all harm in a single reparatory act, they mean proactively working to an acknowledge and repair… the abominable corruption that is the Supreme Court just abandoned the proactive part entirely. > We can't pretend like handing people a pile of cash will suddenly solve all the issues the community endures today. Only those who aren’t part of the community can possibly pretend that a pile of cash wouldn’t solve (or at least substantially help) an extremely significant number of those issues.
twism 3y ago
just the 3/5th one
skinnymuch 3y ago
Nothing is a non starter unless you want to love the status quo and pretend things are good enough. Also…a lot of the nationalities you’re talking about aren’t that big of a deal in the USA. Native American is so bad it’s weird to see people still use it but of course people who don’t get it, won’t get it. You can’t pretend money doesn’t do a lot.
disgruntledphd2 3y ago
I definitely agree that historical discrimination against European immigrants to the US is bad and shouldn't have happened. However, what happened to Africans brought to the US and held in chattel slavery seems much worse, as does everything that happened to the Native Americans.

by Alupis 3y ago

yawpitch 3y ago

> Discrimination against Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, Mexican, Native American and more are not "imaginary harms". Never implied they were. I implied that the harm felt by one’s “minority friends” being helped is a figment of one’s imagination… you then replied with a list of other minorities who will also be harmed by this absurdly idiotic ruling. > Are we in favor of reparations for every group? Or is it just this one? We can safely start with the victims of chattel slavery — at the very least those who signed up to fight and die for a government that promised 40 acres and a mule and then reneged on that (extremely minimal) token — and then widen the net to those who also can make a legitimate call for reparation. > Reparation talk is a way to buy votes - nothing more. It's a total non-starter if you dig into how you'd go about it... It’s really not… if reparation had been made in a timely fashion it wouldn’t be nearly so difficult now, and even today just the very doable token of 40 literal acres and a morally equivalent mule (with interest, and a sincere apology) to the descendants of those for whom clear records exist would be a welcome token step in the right direction. Truth and reconciliation don’t mean wiping out all harm in a single reparatory act, they mean proactively working to an acknowledge and repair… the abominable corruption that is the Supreme Court just abandoned the proactive part entirely. > We can't pretend like handing people a pile of cash will suddenly solve all the issues the community endures today. Only those who aren’t part of the community can possibly pretend that a pile of cash wouldn’t solve (or at least substantially help) an extremely significant number of those issues.

twism 3y ago

just the 3/5th one

skinnymuch 3y ago

Nothing is a non starter unless you want to love the status quo and pretend things are good enough. Also…a lot of the nationalities you’re talking about aren’t that big of a deal in the USA. Native American is so bad it’s weird to see people still use it but of course people who don’t get it, won’t get it. You can’t pretend money doesn’t do a lot.

disgruntledphd2 3y ago

I definitely agree that historical discrimination against European immigrants to the US is bad and shouldn't have happened. However, what happened to Africans brought to the US and held in chattel slavery seems much worse, as does everything that happened to the Native Americans.