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Is there a reason they should not? Or at least have representation? With such a small subset of the population, statistically there wouldn't be an even mix. Bu

Is there a reason they should not? Or at least have representation? With such a small subset of the population, statistically there wouldn't be an even mix. But IMO there should be at least some representation of every "protected" attribute. There's plenty of women with the physique and skills to fill roles in the NFL, for example. Not every player needs to be able to be a linebacker, after all.

goatlover 3y ago
> There's plenty of women with the physique and skills to fill roles in the NFL, for example. Not every player needs to be able to be a linebacker, after all. Doubt it, outside of possibly kicker. Otherwise, you wouldn't see the biological differences in track and field performances between males and females, given how much football relies on physical attributes like size, strength and explosiveness. There could be a professional female league of course, like the WNBA for basketball. But if even tennis has to keep men and women separate to be fair, then there's little chance a physical sport like the NFL would be competitive for women alongside men.
- falcolas 3y ago
  > Otherwise, you wouldn't see the biological differences in track and field performances between males and females, given how much football relies on physical attributes like size, strength and explosiveness. I will grant you this. A top-level woman can not out-physical a top-level man. But, there's more to professional sports than just physicality. You brought up Tennis - but as proven in the various exhibition matches, women have not been cleanly swept as one might expect, and many have won over the years. This leads me to say that there's room even in the physically intensive sports for both genders, not to mention in the less physically intensive sports.
  - nradov 3y ago
    Are you sure about that? I don't think there has ever been a tennis match played under normal rules where a top pro woman has beaten a similarly ranked pro man. In the most recent such major exhibition, Karsten Braasch easily defeated both Williams sisters even though he was only ranked #203. The difference in speed and power is enormous, to the extend that at elite levels women and men are playing totally different games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%29?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%...
brodouevencode 3y ago
> There's plenty of women with the physique and skills to fill roles in the NFL, for example. Please provide three examples. I played college football at a tiny division 2 school and have never met a woman (I live in the gym these days) for which this is close to true. Even if you're referring to a low/no contact position like kicker/punter you're still under threat of a 220 lb linebacker destroying you [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjGBqDwhUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjGBqDwhUU
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- mrguyorama 3y ago
  We live in a society where it's impossible for any woman to ever even do college football in any serious capacity. Of course there are zero NFL capable women in that system, do you think people just magically and spontaneously arise from the aether fully developed to such capacity?
  - brodouevencode 3y ago
    It requires a physical and genetic predisposition to even start to qualify for the NFL and most college teams - which was my point.
  - nradov 3y ago
    How is it impossible? There are no rules barring women from playing college football. They can try out for the team like any other student, and if they're good enough then they'll get playing time.
murderfs 3y ago
This is absolutely delusional. The best women's (non-gridiron) football teams are regularly obliterated by random 14 year old boys teams, and that's a sport that's much less reliant on physical strength.

goatlover 3y ago

> There's plenty of women with the physique and skills to fill roles in the NFL, for example. Not every player needs to be able to be a linebacker, after all. Doubt it, outside of possibly kicker. Otherwise, you wouldn't see the biological differences in track and field performances between males and females, given how much football relies on physical attributes like size, strength and explosiveness. There could be a professional female league of course, like the WNBA for basketball. But if even tennis has to keep men and women separate to be fair, then there's little chance a physical sport like the NFL would be competitive for women alongside men.

falcolas 3y ago
> Otherwise, you wouldn't see the biological differences in track and field performances between males and females, given how much football relies on physical attributes like size, strength and explosiveness. I will grant you this. A top-level woman can not out-physical a top-level man. But, there's more to professional sports than just physicality. You brought up Tennis - but as proven in the various exhibition matches, women have not been cleanly swept as one might expect, and many have won over the years. This leads me to say that there's room even in the physically intensive sports for both genders, not to mention in the less physically intensive sports.
- nradov 3y ago
  Are you sure about that? I don't think there has ever been a tennis match played under normal rules where a top pro woman has beaten a similarly ranked pro man. In the most recent such major exhibition, Karsten Braasch easily defeated both Williams sisters even though he was only ranked #203. The difference in speed and power is enormous, to the extend that at elite levels women and men are playing totally different games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%29?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%...

brodouevencode 3y ago

> There's plenty of women with the physique and skills to fill roles in the NFL, for example. Please provide three examples. I played college football at a tiny division 2 school and have never met a woman (I live in the gym these days) for which this is close to true. Even if you're referring to a low/no contact position like kicker/punter you're still under threat of a 220 lb linebacker destroying you [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjGBqDwhUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjGBqDwhUU

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mrguyorama 3y ago
We live in a society where it's impossible for any woman to ever even do college football in any serious capacity. Of course there are zero NFL capable women in that system, do you think people just magically and spontaneously arise from the aether fully developed to such capacity?
- brodouevencode 3y ago
  It requires a physical and genetic predisposition to even start to qualify for the NFL and most college teams - which was my point.
- nradov 3y ago
  How is it impossible? There are no rules barring women from playing college football. They can try out for the team like any other student, and if they're good enough then they'll get playing time.

murderfs 3y ago

This is absolutely delusional. The best women's (non-gridiron) football teams are regularly obliterated by random 14 year old boys teams, and that's a sport that's much less reliant on physical strength.