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Rich ADOS should still benefit, though. We should be looking at lineage instead of skin color, because thinking all black people are the same is a handicap of b

Rich ADOS should still benefit, though. We should be looking at lineage instead of skin color, because thinking all black people are the same is a handicap of both the left: who think that all "people of color" should be compensated for slavery, and the right: who love to say that US blacks were sold by "their own people." That's like claiming innocence for molesting a child because their parents sold it to you. (I know you know this:))

Izikiel43 3y ago
The rest of the developed world: why do you care so much about race? Just decide on household income
- SAI_Peregrinus 3y ago
  That would run the risk of helping the poor. We don't like doing that here in the USA.
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  > Just decide on household income Why not just decide on a test scores? Or just grades? Or just sports? Because there is no silver bullet measurement for "how deserving is this kid?" I'd venture to guess that if you asked 50 people how to measure someone's worth with regard to some goal you'd get 50 different answers.
  - Izikiel43 3y ago
    Test scores and income are enough, as they are objective measurements. Grades, as mentioned in another comment, are not consistent across different high schools, and they favor people with more resources. Sports, as in play in the university team, which demands high performance, is also fair, and probably doesn't demand a lot of places, as you can't have a sports team with hundreds of people.
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      The issue is that also, generally speaking, anyone who was legally discriminated against probably lives in a jurisdiction performing poorly in test scores, since all schooling in the US are based on geographic districts funded by local property tax, and due to historic discrimination the formerly discriminated groups also live in areas with lower housing wealth. (A lot of people also moved out of districts with large minority populations when integration was mandated, taking their taxes and wealth with them.) Want to make a bunch of people very angry? Propose a metropolitan-area wide school district.
      - Izikiel43 3y ago
        > areas with lower housing wealth. So, in other words, lower income.
        bobthepanda 3y ago
        Not quite, because you can be house-poor due to luck with owning, and also owning a ‘bad’ house in, say, New York City would give you a high paper net worth when comparing to the entire country.
        Izikiel43 3y ago
        That’s why I mentioned income, not net worth.
        bobthepanda 3y ago
        There are also large differences in salaries and income across the country due to variance in cost of living. Poor in New York may be a decent wage in Gary or Biloxi.
      - marcosdumay 3y ago
        > Want to make a bunch of people very angry? Propose a metropolitan-area wide school district. By that you mean that kids can not choose their school on the US?

Izikiel43 3y ago

The rest of the developed world: why do you care so much about race? Just decide on household income

SAI_Peregrinus 3y ago
That would run the risk of helping the poor. We don't like doing that here in the USA.
BobbyJo 3y ago
> Just decide on household income Why not just decide on a test scores? Or just grades? Or just sports? Because there is no silver bullet measurement for "how deserving is this kid?" I'd venture to guess that if you asked 50 people how to measure someone's worth with regard to some goal you'd get 50 different answers.
- Izikiel43 3y ago
  Test scores and income are enough, as they are objective measurements. Grades, as mentioned in another comment, are not consistent across different high schools, and they favor people with more resources. Sports, as in play in the university team, which demands high performance, is also fair, and probably doesn't demand a lot of places, as you can't have a sports team with hundreds of people.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    The issue is that also, generally speaking, anyone who was legally discriminated against probably lives in a jurisdiction performing poorly in test scores, since all schooling in the US are based on geographic districts funded by local property tax, and due to historic discrimination the formerly discriminated groups also live in areas with lower housing wealth. (A lot of people also moved out of districts with large minority populations when integration was mandated, taking their taxes and wealth with them.) Want to make a bunch of people very angry? Propose a metropolitan-area wide school district.
    - Izikiel43 3y ago
      > areas with lower housing wealth. So, in other words, lower income.
      - bobthepanda 3y ago
        Not quite, because you can be house-poor due to luck with owning, and also owning a ‘bad’ house in, say, New York City would give you a high paper net worth when comparing to the entire country.
        Izikiel43 3y ago
        That’s why I mentioned income, not net worth.
        bobthepanda 3y ago
        There are also large differences in salaries and income across the country due to variance in cost of living. Poor in New York may be a decent wage in Gary or Biloxi.
    - marcosdumay 3y ago
      > Want to make a bunch of people very angry? Propose a metropolitan-area wide school district. By that you mean that kids can not choose their school on the US?