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FWIW, maintaining a language is really, really hard. That said, this is going to kill adoption until it's either addressed or forked. While I doubt it is a majo

by NBJack 3y ago

FWIW, maintaining a language is really, really hard. That said, this is going to kill adoption until it's either addressed or forked. While I doubt it is a major driving factor for D, no informed tech lead in their right mind should approve or endorse this language for any commercial stack. What troubles me more is the attitude towards the reports. Or hiding behind "hey you can always give us money to do what you want." The maintainers are absolutely right in principle that they really answer to no one and donate their time, but this plus the constant breaking changes is going to burn through any trust left. Things aren't perfect, people aren't perfect, shit breaks, mistakes are made; getting defensive about it isn't going to make things better.

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- cassepipe 3y ago
  To be fair this is not Walter Bright responding and I doubt the person saying that is saying that "everything has to be bought" rather than "you're not entitled to my free work". And I say as someone who considers the free market must be constrained by strict and enforced rules to prevent societal negative externalities of the economic jungle.
  - ht85 3y ago
    Not being entitled is a given but healthy open source projects are driven by the passion of the community to create something they are proud of. A prominent member of the community immediately steering the discussion towards the workload and "who is going to pay for it" is very unappealing — to me at least.
    - cassepipe 3y ago
      Fully agree, if you complain about some specific usability pain point you encounter as a user, you are providing valuable feedback and you shouldn't be dismissed with a handwawy "oh yeah ? Well, are you even donating ?" It's almost an admission of guilt
marcosdumay 3y ago
> The maintainers are absolutely right in principle that they really answer to no one and donate their time Well, it makes the project unprofessional. What is perfectly ok, but you don't want to use it professionally. They have every right to that choice, and they state it very clearly, so nobody has any right to complain. But yeah, it is a very good reason for not using the language.
- destructionator 3y ago
  > Well, it makes the project unprofessional. Next time I hire a professional, I'll be sure to call them unprofessional when they hand me a bill. A real professional doesn't expect to be paid!
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    Oh, sure, next time I talk about a project, you can make sure to extend it to anybody involved too. You can even extend it to a country or some other random group; it's a proven way to spice the discussion.

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cassepipe 3y ago
To be fair this is not Walter Bright responding and I doubt the person saying that is saying that "everything has to be bought" rather than "you're not entitled to my free work". And I say as someone who considers the free market must be constrained by strict and enforced rules to prevent societal negative externalities of the economic jungle.
- ht85 3y ago
  Not being entitled is a given but healthy open source projects are driven by the passion of the community to create something they are proud of. A prominent member of the community immediately steering the discussion towards the workload and "who is going to pay for it" is very unappealing — to me at least.
  - cassepipe 3y ago
    Fully agree, if you complain about some specific usability pain point you encounter as a user, you are providing valuable feedback and you shouldn't be dismissed with a handwawy "oh yeah ? Well, are you even donating ?" It's almost an admission of guilt

marcosdumay 3y ago

> The maintainers are absolutely right in principle that they really answer to no one and donate their time Well, it makes the project unprofessional. What is perfectly ok, but you don't want to use it professionally. They have every right to that choice, and they state it very clearly, so nobody has any right to complain. But yeah, it is a very good reason for not using the language.

destructionator 3y ago
> Well, it makes the project unprofessional. Next time I hire a professional, I'll be sure to call them unprofessional when they hand me a bill. A real professional doesn't expect to be paid!
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  Oh, sure, next time I talk about a project, you can make sure to extend it to anybody involved too. You can even extend it to a country or some other random group; it's a proven way to spice the discussion.