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I've seen first hand refugees come to Canada from Ukraine, realize that this country is in their words "not a country where you can have an easy life" and withi

I've seen first hand refugees come to Canada from Ukraine, realize that this country is in their words "not a country where you can have an easy life" and within 6 months figure out a way to get to the states.

peanuty1 3y ago
I could've been making a great salary in Canada as a new grad but it just didn't make sense to stay when I could make 1.5x more in the US (and in USD!).
- wesapien 3y ago
  Good on you! I wish I could do the same leave Canada.
f6v 3y ago
> I've seen first hand refugees come to Canada from Ukraine Software developers are used to paying sub-10% income tax there (or no tax at all).
- joshlemer 3y ago
  Yeah, that was a big shock for them.
  - risyachka 3y ago
    It wasn’t. Software developers are not allowed to leave Ukraine.
    - m00x 3y ago
      I know plenty who have, and there are plenty who were here before. Why wouldn't they be able to leave?
      - f6v 3y ago
        Well you can’t just walk up to border guards and bribe them. You’ve got to have connections, not everyone does.
      - imtemplain 3y ago
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      - bjord 3y ago
        Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like this person is assuming all software developers are (military age) men. I'm not aware of other restrictions on people being able to leave Ukraine.
        rat9988 3y ago
        Military age men are big chunk of ukranian software devs. It's not a small restriction that we can just ignore.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Quite a lot of folks in Ukraine aren't exactly known for strictly complying with every regulation. There's undoubtedly a huge number of military age men that left regardless, especially among software devs.
    - badpun 3y ago
      Even if they aren't, Ukraine is very corrupt, so getting through the border will just cost you a couple thousand euros at most.
    - lisasays 3y ago
      Not the best choice of language. They meant to say "Men of conscription age, hence most software developers ..."
lordnacho 3y ago
Is it much different in the states?
- grugagag 3y ago
  That’s what I’ve been thinking about. Probably there are many people who take the opposite route, states first then Canada. I only know a few cases though.
- joshlemer 3y ago
  Yes, home prices are drastically lower in most of the states than in Canada. Taxes are also lower, and pay is higher. Just compare home prices in Niagara Falls New York, where you can get what Canadians would consider a great house for literally 100k, and Niagara Falls Ontario where you're looking at 600k-900k. Or compare White Rock BC where a house will run you 3 million, to Blaine Washington where you can get a house for 300k.

peanuty1 3y ago

I could've been making a great salary in Canada as a new grad but it just didn't make sense to stay when I could make 1.5x more in the US (and in USD!).

wesapien 3y ago
Good on you! I wish I could do the same leave Canada.

f6v 3y ago

> I've seen first hand refugees come to Canada from Ukraine Software developers are used to paying sub-10% income tax there (or no tax at all).

joshlemer 3y ago
Yeah, that was a big shock for them.
- risyachka 3y ago
  It wasn’t. Software developers are not allowed to leave Ukraine.
  - m00x 3y ago
    I know plenty who have, and there are plenty who were here before. Why wouldn't they be able to leave?
    - f6v 3y ago
      Well you can’t just walk up to border guards and bribe them. You’ve got to have connections, not everyone does.
    - imtemplain 3y ago
      [dead]
    - bjord 3y ago
      Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like this person is assuming all software developers are (military age) men. I'm not aware of other restrictions on people being able to leave Ukraine.
      - rat9988 3y ago
        Military age men are big chunk of ukranian software devs. It's not a small restriction that we can just ignore.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Quite a lot of folks in Ukraine aren't exactly known for strictly complying with every regulation. There's undoubtedly a huge number of military age men that left regardless, especially among software devs.
  - badpun 3y ago
    Even if they aren't, Ukraine is very corrupt, so getting through the border will just cost you a couple thousand euros at most.
  - lisasays 3y ago
    Not the best choice of language. They meant to say "Men of conscription age, hence most software developers ..."

lordnacho 3y ago

Is it much different in the states?

grugagag 3y ago
That’s what I’ve been thinking about. Probably there are many people who take the opposite route, states first then Canada. I only know a few cases though.
joshlemer 3y ago
Yes, home prices are drastically lower in most of the states than in Canada. Taxes are also lower, and pay is higher. Just compare home prices in Niagara Falls New York, where you can get what Canadians would consider a great house for literally 100k, and Niagara Falls Ontario where you're looking at 600k-900k. Or compare White Rock BC where a house will run you 3 million, to Blaine Washington where you can get a house for 300k.