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> We use this very fast RDMA network, and we start with that. And in our Gen2 Cloud, our entire network is a super-fast network, which means that most of the ap

by belval 3y ago

> We use this very fast RDMA network, and we start with that. And in our Gen2 Cloud, our entire network is a super-fast network, which means that most of the applications you run in the Oracle Cloud are going to be much faster than our competitors’ clouds because they don’t use that kind of network. So we have huge cost advantages. So instead of giving actual metrics, just say "very fast", "super-fast" and "much faster". Even for wall street that seems a bit shallow.

placesalt 3y ago
Funny to see this now, when thinking about a response he gave to the question 'what the hell is cloud computing', way back in ~2009: "it is the most nonsensical .. maybe I'm an idiot, it's really just complete gibberish..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0
- staunch 3y ago
  That's a very misleading set of partial quotes to assemble in that order... Ellison wasn't confused about any of the technical topics around cloud computing. He was complaining about the marketing trend at the time of slapping the "cloud computing" buzzword on all kinds of things that already existed. This is a thing that happens in the tech world a lot, and it is pretty annoying. A more modern example is the over-use of "serverless" buzzword.
  - rcme 3y ago
    No, he’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s basically saying cloud computing is nothing, just a redefinition of existing computing. He’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s saying that cloud computing is only marketing. Clearly he was wrong.
    - belfalas 3y ago
      Was he clearly wrong though? I listened through the whole clip and it seems like he was spot on to me. Steve Jobs made similar comments about cloud in the 90s - it’s really just mainframe 2.0.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        No, cloud at root is dynamic on-demand provisioning. A lot of times SaaS built on top of cloud was (and is) marketed as cloud, without meaningfully offering dynamic on-demand provisioning to the customer, which blurs it a bit, but cloud had a distinct definition that was neither just SaaS or “mainframe 2.0” in any sense where using the term dismissively makes any sense.
    - nl 3y ago
      He's wrong like those "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer" t-shirts are wrong. IE: not wrong, but too literal and short sighted.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        > He's wrong like those "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer" t-shirts are wrong. > IE: not wrong Private cloud is cloud, and its not someone else’s computer, so, “not wrong” is not not wrong.
  - placesalt 3y ago
    https://youtu.be/0FacYAI6DY0?t=57 https://youtu.be/0FacYAI6DY0?t=57 Should have had an ellipsis between the 2nd and 3rd bit, but the intent wasn't altered. He's calling it gibberish and nonsense. I wasn't trying to imply that he actually was confused, I was trying to show how he thought the term was gibberish. I mean, who would take seriously the thought that Ellison actually thought of himself as an idiot.
tw04 3y ago
He's the CEO, not the CTO. I don't recall Bezos ever giving a deep-dive talk about the metrics of AWS's networking stack. He left that to his tech folks. I have absolutely no love for Ellison as you can see in my post history, but it's a bit silly to expect detailed tech specs from the CEO of a company on an earnings call with a bunch of investors that would have no idea what he was talking about if he did. *I did in fact forget he changed his title when he gave co-CEO to Safra Catz and Hurd to rescue Hurd and not lose Catz in what was another of a long list of ethically questionable moves. It doesn't change the fact that he's completely removed from the technical details of their products and has been for 20+ years.
- inconceivable 3y ago
  he's actually the CTO.
- countvonbalzac 3y ago
  He is in fact the CTO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison
noisy_boy 3y ago
Gives a very Trump-like feeling.
- reeaper 3y ago
  When you have an army of lawyers, they just let you sue them.
justinclift 3y ago
> We use this very fast RDMA network ... So, Infiniband then. It's not like they're the only ones using it, nor the only ones using it at scale. Even Azure has it as an option: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/overview-hb-hc https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/ove...

by belval 3y ago

placesalt 3y ago

Funny to see this now, when thinking about a response he gave to the question 'what the hell is cloud computing', way back in ~2009: "it is the most nonsensical .. maybe I'm an idiot, it's really just complete gibberish..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0

staunch 3y ago
That's a very misleading set of partial quotes to assemble in that order... Ellison wasn't confused about any of the technical topics around cloud computing. He was complaining about the marketing trend at the time of slapping the "cloud computing" buzzword on all kinds of things that already existed. This is a thing that happens in the tech world a lot, and it is pretty annoying. A more modern example is the over-use of "serverless" buzzword.
- rcme 3y ago
  No, he’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s basically saying cloud computing is nothing, just a redefinition of existing computing. He’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s saying that cloud computing is only marketing. Clearly he was wrong.
  - belfalas 3y ago
    Was he clearly wrong though? I listened through the whole clip and it seems like he was spot on to me. Steve Jobs made similar comments about cloud in the 90s - it’s really just mainframe 2.0.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      No, cloud at root is dynamic on-demand provisioning. A lot of times SaaS built on top of cloud was (and is) marketed as cloud, without meaningfully offering dynamic on-demand provisioning to the customer, which blurs it a bit, but cloud had a distinct definition that was neither just SaaS or “mainframe 2.0” in any sense where using the term dismissively makes any sense.
  - nl 3y ago
    He's wrong like those "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer" t-shirts are wrong. IE: not wrong, but too literal and short sighted.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > He's wrong like those "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer" t-shirts are wrong. > IE: not wrong Private cloud is cloud, and its not someone else’s computer, so, “not wrong” is not not wrong.
- placesalt 3y ago
  https://youtu.be/0FacYAI6DY0?t=57 https://youtu.be/0FacYAI6DY0?t=57 Should have had an ellipsis between the 2nd and 3rd bit, but the intent wasn't altered. He's calling it gibberish and nonsense. I wasn't trying to imply that he actually was confused, I was trying to show how he thought the term was gibberish. I mean, who would take seriously the thought that Ellison actually thought of himself as an idiot.

tw04 3y ago

He's the CEO, not the CTO. I don't recall Bezos ever giving a deep-dive talk about the metrics of AWS's networking stack. He left that to his tech folks. I have absolutely no love for Ellison as you can see in my post history, but it's a bit silly to expect detailed tech specs from the CEO of a company on an earnings call with a bunch of investors that would have no idea what he was talking about if he did. *I did in fact forget he changed his title when he gave co-CEO to Safra Catz and Hurd to rescue Hurd and not lose Catz in what was another of a long list of ethically questionable moves. It doesn't change the fact that he's completely removed from the technical details of their products and has been for 20+ years.

inconceivable 3y ago
he's actually the CTO.
countvonbalzac 3y ago
He is in fact the CTO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison

noisy_boy 3y ago

Gives a very Trump-like feeling.

reeaper 3y ago
When you have an army of lawyers, they just let you sue them.

justinclift 3y ago

> We use this very fast RDMA network ... So, Infiniband then. It's not like they're the only ones using it, nor the only ones using it at scale. Even Azure has it as an option: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/overview-hb-hc https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/ove...