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True, but the US could learn a thing or two from Canada's immigration policies. As a US citizen, I'm pretty vehemently opposed to our temp worker H1B visas, an

True, but the US could learn a thing or two from Canada's immigration policies. As a US citizen, I'm pretty vehemently opposed to our temp worker H1B visas, and would much prefer an easier path to permanent residency like Canada has. It's shameful that we have 6-700k people here in the US that are effectively treated as second class 'citizens' and a permanent underclass. I knew one guy who had been waiting on a green card for over a decade.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> It's shameful that we have 6-700k people here in the US that are effectively treated as second class citizens and a permanent underclass They are either second-class non-citizens (compared to those on immigrant visas) or if using “citizen” broadly to call all those who are immigrants by intent (regardless of status) as well as actual citizens, something like third-class citizens, behind both legal citizens and permanent residents.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  I was utilizing the phrase in it's common usage. IMHO, the H1B should be abolished, and we should adopt a Canadian style points system that sets a high bar, but once admitted, automatically grants a green card. I think even Hayek himself basically admitted that our worker visa programs were effectively a labor subsidy to megacorps because these workers did not have the same abilities to negotiate and switch companies as others.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
H1Bs are a path to permanent residency, and at the end of the first renewal, you either have a greencard or (if you are from certain big countries where quotas run out; e.g. China, India, Mexico, Philippines) are in the queue to get a greencard. That is not like other countries. China, for example, is happy to give you a Z visa every year without any path to permanent residency. 9 years and never offered permanent residency, not that I would have probably taken it.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> It's shameful that we have 6-700k people here in the US that are effectively treated as second class citizens and a permanent underclass They are either second-class non-citizens (compared to those on immigrant visas) or if using “citizen” broadly to call all those who are immigrants by intent (regardless of status) as well as actual citizens, something like third-class citizens, behind both legal citizens and permanent residents.

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
I was utilizing the phrase in it's common usage. IMHO, the H1B should be abolished, and we should adopt a Canadian style points system that sets a high bar, but once admitted, automatically grants a green card. I think even Hayek himself basically admitted that our worker visa programs were effectively a labor subsidy to megacorps because these workers did not have the same abilities to negotiate and switch companies as others.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

H1Bs are a path to permanent residency, and at the end of the first renewal, you either have a greencard or (if you are from certain big countries where quotas run out; e.g. China, India, Mexico, Philippines) are in the queue to get a greencard. That is not like other countries. China, for example, is happy to give you a Z visa every year without any path to permanent residency. 9 years and never offered permanent residency, not that I would have probably taken it.