4 ms·

>if you compare the Windows machine to the average spec from the time it was released you'd probably find comparable performance. This is not the case, he spec

by _dain_ 3y ago

>if you compare the Windows machine to the average spec from the time it was released you'd probably find comparable performance. This is not the case, he specifically debunks it it in the twitter thread. He took a contemporary late 90s machine with modest specs, and it was still snappier than the modern PC with Windows 10. And even if that were the case, it does not follow that we should accept modern machines not being able to load Notepad instantly. Modern machines are hundreds of times more powerful than 20 years ago, but Notepad has not become hundreds of times more featureful.

jerf 3y ago
There is a lot of fuzz in that comparison. I used machines at that time. They were not snappy if you had the average specs. I am not convinced he got that in his comparison. In particular modern iterations of those old machines are usually stuffed with RAM by comparison because since then it has become so dirt cheap to do that that it's not worth not doing it. I acknowledge he at least tried but I'm not convinced he succeeded and even by his own text you can tell he's not exactly putting a huge marker down on the older system being the exact right system. Average specs typically dipped into swap. (The supposed minimum specs were often a joke.) "accept" I'm a bit at a loss as to how anything I said sounds like we should accept this. Did I not call it almost sociopathic how IT departments manage to slow machines down for people who have no social power? Does that sound like I think this is hunky dory?
- anthk 3y ago
  Not snappy on reading I/O but the UI was fast as hell. With SSD's a Pentium IV with SSE2 support with TDE3 under Slackware Linux running Konqueror, Amarok and Kopete (Konqueror against a non-JS site) will run circles around lots of core i7 setups with Spotify and Slack...
marcosdumay 3y ago
> it does not follow that we should accept Just to point that all the GP said is that we do accept. There's nothing there about what we should do.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  I am going to play devil's advocate here. What can an average person do. I eventually dropped windows for a linux distribution and while it was a learning experience, I can kinda see why it is not a default approach for most people. It is hard for most to overcome inertia. Personal example, before I felt compelled to jump I installed dual boot I almost never used. Things simply have to get bad enough for people not to accept things. As long as they in the 'annoying' realm, most will put up with it. It is a sad commentary about human nature, because it suggests a slow enough decline will be accepted.

by _dain_ 3y ago

jerf 3y ago

There is a lot of fuzz in that comparison. I used machines at that time. They were not snappy if you had the average specs. I am not convinced he got that in his comparison. In particular modern iterations of those old machines are usually stuffed with RAM by comparison because since then it has become so dirt cheap to do that that it's not worth not doing it. I acknowledge he at least tried but I'm not convinced he succeeded and even by his own text you can tell he's not exactly putting a huge marker down on the older system being the exact right system. Average specs typically dipped into swap. (The supposed minimum specs were often a joke.) "accept" I'm a bit at a loss as to how anything I said sounds like we should accept this. Did I not call it almost sociopathic how IT departments manage to slow machines down for people who have no social power? Does that sound like I think this is hunky dory?

anthk 3y ago
Not snappy on reading I/O but the UI was fast as hell. With SSD's a Pentium IV with SSE2 support with TDE3 under Slackware Linux running Konqueror, Amarok and Kopete (Konqueror against a non-JS site) will run circles around lots of core i7 setups with Spotify and Slack...

marcosdumay 3y ago

> it does not follow that we should accept Just to point that all the GP said is that we do accept. There's nothing there about what we should do.

A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
I am going to play devil's advocate here. What can an average person do. I eventually dropped windows for a linux distribution and while it was a learning experience, I can kinda see why it is not a default approach for most people. It is hard for most to overcome inertia. Personal example, before I felt compelled to jump I installed dual boot I almost never used. Things simply have to get bad enough for people not to accept things. As long as they in the 'annoying' realm, most will put up with it. It is a sad commentary about human nature, because it suggests a slow enough decline will be accepted.