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The world of marketing is much deeper than you make it out to be. Brands spend millions - obviously if someone smart came in and did testing to prove it was ine
by soared 3y ago
The world of marketing is much deeper than you make it out to be. Brands spend millions - obviously if someone smart came in and did testing to prove it was ineffective thus move that money elsewhere.
You can easily test branding dollars with things like brand lift studies, but I’ll skip over branding.
The majority of small business and good chunks of large companies ad spend is spent on performance marketing. These campaigns have strictly enforced goals of return on ad spend (or sometimes net profit return on ad spend). When a new client starts running big budgets they run incremental alit y tests with their internal data science team, a neutral third party vendor (paid regardless of the outcome), and with the platform their spending money on. Each team shares their analysis but brands usually just ignore the platforms numbers. The advertiser can determine in their own, with legit statistical analysis, whether purchases would’ve occurred even if they hadn’t seen an ad.
I don’t work on one of those teams, but I think it’s basically you spend 80% if your budget like normal on 80% of users. Then on 20% of users you use the same targeting but serve 1 single blank ad. Then you compare how the test and control groups make purchases, and how much of a lift in purchases the advertising drives. They also compare the user buckets before even doing the test to ensure users are evenly split so each group was making the same amount of purchases on average before the campaign begins. They remove outliers, etc.
It’s not a bunch of rich old established men in a room high giving themselves, it’s data scientists who don’t at all trust the guys spending their money. So they test the shit out of it over and over.
All of the raw data can be seen by the advertiser, and they track each individual impression, click, etc. that data can also be filtered through vendors to identify potential fraud, brand safety, etc.
I’ve had more than a couple client run an incrementality test and then stop spending on the platform because the results were too low. But I’ve had many many more be happy with their own internal analysis and increase budgets, then run another test at that budget level. I have clients who only pay us if we spend $1 and they get $2 in incremental revenue from users who their data science team would not have purchased without the ad. Those teams don’t care if they spend money, and they even get bonused on increasing incremental revenue so they constantly test new vendors and move spend to whoever performs the best.
- harry8 3y agoNothing there anyone can check which makes it indistinguishable from "I know more than you and I can tell you you're wrong." That may even be correct for all I know, it's just not at all useful. Which non-internet company is on record claiming they see better returns from google ads on racist blogs than on say, tv ads for example? Must be a few, surely. Where? What brand ever advertised on google? Pick a good one. I want to see the campaign. I've had this discussion before and it's usually at this point of wanting any data or examples that it sort of melts away like morning fog in the sun or gets needlessly nasty. Hopefully this time will be better. It's not like I'm trying to push something here.
- soared 3y agoI’m not sending you client data, just like any dev on here would not send their company’s data. Campaign architecture is kept secret as competitors/etc can use that info to their advantage. I’m explaining how an entire industry works and you’ve just closed your eyes and said everyone is lying. It doesn’t make sense to assume everyone in an entire industry is lying - then that industry would be dope for disruption as any brand not spending marketing dollars would be hugely more profitable than competitors. Show me a startup that doesn’t have an advertising team/agency.
- harry8 3y agoYour client data? No never asked for it. Any data, from anywhere relating to this, ie showing google ads success. Google publishing success stories maybe? Anything. Conversation works better if you don't claim people said things they didn't say. I guess we're going the second route? Seems a shame. But sure for disruption we have Tesla - brand strength to rival Mercedes. Ad spend $0. We have Trump, became president. I strongly doubt google ads were the key part of his presidency push. Both of those marketing campaigns were pretty disruptive. Never seen a google internet ad for the google pixel. Seen plenty of tv ads. That seems like an interesting data point? Lots of tv ads for chrome in my sport among the gambling ads too.
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