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Software making hardware making software. How long till someone wires it all up to a chat bot and lets it loose? We're reaching the point where it's feasible to

Software making hardware making software. How long till someone wires it all up to a chat bot and lets it loose? We're reaching the point where it's feasible to create, more or less, autonomous AI entities. It's doable today, if you have the money and are so inclined, and it gets cheaper everyday.

throwuwu 3y ago
Missing a few steps like money and being able to open the delivery box and assemble the parts. It’s kind of like that Sagan quote about making an apple pie from scratch.
- adamwong246 3y ago
  But like, IS it really that hard? Money is easy enough to provide, presuming we can run this machine at a loss (for now) and humans can fill in the last-mile. Even box-opening can be automated soon. I think it's within reach of a sufficiently motivated and funded grad student. Certainly within the reach of Mr Bezos.
  - throwuwu 3y ago
    Not arguing with that. My point is that the gap between humans helping it and it being fully autonomous is much bigger than you would think. Even if you design a system with a bunch of robotic arms and other equipment, the AI then has to be able to replicate and install somewhere else that entire set up using only what it currently has or can assemble with its current facilities. That’s a really big challenge!
    - sitkack 3y ago
      It can pay people to do that.
      - throwuwu 3y ago
        Wouldn’t be fully autonomous then since people would be a requirement.
        sitkack 3y ago
        Distinction without a difference. Putin is also not "fully autonomous" in that regard, yet here we are.
        throwuwu 3y ago
        He still rules by consent, if the rest of his government decide they don’t like his style anymore then they can get rid of him. The original comment was about fully autonomous AI in the context of software making hardware making software which I took to mean independent of human intervention. If we include humans then we’re already there since humans use software to make hardware which runs the software etc. and this becomes a dull proposition.
        sitkack 3y ago
        > becomes a dull proposition An AI can that can hire mercenaries isn't dull. Or design a circuit board, have it made and assembled and delivered to contractor to use in the field. I apologize for engaging.
        throwuwu 3y ago
        Humans aren’t robots. Just because you pay them doesn’t mean they’ll do anything you say, they have to make a choice as to whether they’re alright with doing your dirty work. It’s not like you can just rent mercenaries off of Craigslist and have them carry out your master plan. You need to get back in touch with reality my friend.

throwuwu 3y ago

Missing a few steps like money and being able to open the delivery box and assemble the parts. It’s kind of like that Sagan quote about making an apple pie from scratch.

adamwong246 3y ago
But like, IS it really that hard? Money is easy enough to provide, presuming we can run this machine at a loss (for now) and humans can fill in the last-mile. Even box-opening can be automated soon. I think it's within reach of a sufficiently motivated and funded grad student. Certainly within the reach of Mr Bezos.
- throwuwu 3y ago
  Not arguing with that. My point is that the gap between humans helping it and it being fully autonomous is much bigger than you would think. Even if you design a system with a bunch of robotic arms and other equipment, the AI then has to be able to replicate and install somewhere else that entire set up using only what it currently has or can assemble with its current facilities. That’s a really big challenge!
  - sitkack 3y ago
    It can pay people to do that.
    - throwuwu 3y ago
      Wouldn’t be fully autonomous then since people would be a requirement.
      - sitkack 3y ago
        Distinction without a difference. Putin is also not "fully autonomous" in that regard, yet here we are.
        throwuwu 3y ago
        He still rules by consent, if the rest of his government decide they don’t like his style anymore then they can get rid of him. The original comment was about fully autonomous AI in the context of software making hardware making software which I took to mean independent of human intervention. If we include humans then we’re already there since humans use software to make hardware which runs the software etc. and this becomes a dull proposition.
        sitkack 3y ago
        > becomes a dull proposition An AI can that can hire mercenaries isn't dull. Or design a circuit board, have it made and assembled and delivered to contractor to use in the field. I apologize for engaging.
        throwuwu 3y ago
        Humans aren’t robots. Just because you pay them doesn’t mean they’ll do anything you say, they have to make a choice as to whether they’re alright with doing your dirty work. It’s not like you can just rent mercenaries off of Craigslist and have them carry out your master plan. You need to get back in touch with reality my friend.