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Docker Acquires Mutagen
- drcongo 3y agoThink I'll stick with Orb Stack still though.
- mdeeks 3y agoOrbStack is shockingly good. We have tools that are deeply integrated with Docker Desktop and the CLI and it all worked perfectly out of the box when I switched to OrbStack. It also takes like seconds to start and has yet to overheat my laptop or drain my battery. Highly recommended: https://orbstack.dev/ https://orbstack.dev/
- vosper 3y agoTIL Docker Desktop is a battery drain / resource hog. I’ll give this a try.
- SirSavary 3y agoOrb Stack looks neat but I don't think it provides that capabilities that Mutagen does? It seems like the two would be compatible with one another.
- samcat116 3y ago+1 for Orbstack, shockingly good.
- BossingAround 3y agoWhy do we need GUIs? I find Docker CLI shockingly easy to use.
- ttfkam 3y agoI use the CLI as well, but on MacOS, you need more plumbing like a Linux VM. OrbStack (and Docker Desktop) provide this plumbing in a single app package, so the CLI can actually work, whether you prefer a GUI or a CLI. (Or docker-compose, as I use most often.)
- orra 3y agoAnybody use this? Either the cloud service or the open source command line file sync app? I've dabbled with the latter, but not much besides that.
- quechimba 3y agoYeah, I used the command line sync. It was great. I was running my development environment on a virtual machine in the cloud and I could edit all the files locally so I had no lag. Worked really well.
- deergomoo 3y agoI used it with Docker for Mac locally back when bind mounted volumes on Mac were perilously slow. From the article though it looks like the focus is on remote containers.
- babbledabbler 3y agoYes I started using this in the past year. It dramatically sped up my watch/test cycle on mac. It seems like something that shouldn't be necessary on Mac with docker so I hope they just make it a standard docker feature.
- pineconewarrior 3y agoI use it with ddev for local development. https://ddev.readthedocs.io/ https://ddev.readthedocs.io/
- invisible 3y agoI set it up for a team of ~30. This makes a huge difference for mounting things like `node_modules` with lots of inodes. The difference locally is pretty astounding.
- nathan-muir 3y agoI've been using it with vagrant. It's an amazing file sync between host and guest. Avoids so many of the annoyances of nfs et al
- kyriakos 3y ago
- plorg 3y agoNote for the confused (maybe just me?), this is not related to python-mutagen[0], the metadata library. [0] https://mutagen.readthedocs.io https://mutagen.readthedocs.io
- gyudin 3y agoKinda astonishing how some startup with almost no revenue that burned through hundreds millions of dollars is still able to acquire anything x)
- malisper 3y ago> Kinda astonishing how some startup with almost no revenue that burned through hundreds millions of dollars is still able to acquire anything x) As of December, Docker was doing $100M+ of ARR[0]. No where close to no revenue [0] https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asethi_docker-the-phoenix-saga-activity-7003572185839677440-eUk3/?originalSubdomain=bm https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asethi_docker-the-phoenix-sag...
- ttfkam 3y agoFor all the hate it gets, it's astounding what you can accomplish by charging for your product. It's why OrbStack will also start charging once the open beta period is over.
- windexh8er 3y agoThe part that was doing no rev was Docker Enterprise. This was sold off to Mirantis [0]. This was a good thing for both Mirantis and Docker. The Mirantis brass knew the enterprise much better than the ignorant leadership that was running the ship prior to the acquisition. I happened to be there at the time. Folks like Steve Singh (former CEO), Roger Egan (SVP Sales) and Betty Junod (VP Product & Product Marketing) were all ignorant to what could have been a very successful run with Docker Enterprise. They were literally trying to hock everything customers already had and didn't want from Docker. What customers kept asking for was what Docker is doing today. While they've had a number of missteps the current leadership clearly understands their target market and... Listens. Steve, Roger and Betty? They always knew better and didn't listen to their own people. It was bizzaro-land where Betty's quest to define personas was the answer to all of Docker's woes. Looking back the entire thing felt like a season of Silicon Valley. But yeah, if you think Docker doesn't have any runway these days you haven't followed much of them over the last few years. [0] https://www.zdnet.com/article/mirantis-acquires-docker-enterprise/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/mirantis-acquires-docker-enter...
- hosh 3y agoI guess Docker's fuse fs on native is still too slow. I remember one of the options was filesyncing in some way, such as with rsync triggered by inotify.
- xenoscopic 3y agoI'm the creator of Mutagen, happy to answer any questions that I can about the project, acquisition, or anything else!
- mati365 3y agoWhat's your salary?
- xenoscopic 3y agoWell, that's one of those things I won't answer, but Docker is actually really great about listing nominal salary ranges for their positions on their Docker Careers page [1] - I'd encourage anyone to check out the openings there! [1] https://www.docker.com/career-openings/ https://www.docker.com/career-openings/
- osigurdson 3y ago[flagged]
- sporadicallyjoe 3y agoOh no, they're curious about his salary. Who could think to ask such a heinous question?
- osigurdson 3y agoOK, what is your salary?
- operatingthetan 3y agoThey didn't offer up an "ask me anything" did they?
- osigurdson 3y ago[flagged]
- turblety 3y agoAhh cool, I look forward to Docker, Inc. destroying yet another company. Yes. I'm still bitter about Tutum. Absolutely loved Tutum. 1. https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/21/docker-acquires-unikernel-systems-as-it-looks-beyond-containers/?guccounter=1 https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/21/docker-acquires-unikernel-... 2. https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/docker-acquires-cloud-startup-tutum-for-container-shipping-and-management/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/docker-acquires-cloud-star... 3. https://thenewstack.io/docker-acquires-sdn-technology-startup-socketplane-io/ https://thenewstack.io/docker-acquires-sdn-technology-startu... 4. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150312005148/en/Docker-Acquires-Kitematic-the-Fastest-Easiest-Way-to-Run-Docker-on-Mac https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150312005148/en/Doc...
- kristianpaul 3y agoI really miss Tutum :'(
- santiagobasulto 3y agoI have no idea what Tutum is (was?), but why don’t you guys build it “again”. If you miss it, there’s a clear need. Go for it.
- bovermyer 3y agoYou seem to be laboring under the false impression that people can replicate a system perfectly just by having used it once upon a time.
- goolz 3y agoI would imagine for myriad financial, personal and most of all technological reasons (of which you would not know, as by your own admissions, “you have no idea” what it was).
- moondev 3y agoDid Tumtum agree to be purchased, or are you suggesting this was some kind of hostile takeover?
- lowercased 3y agoIdeally this gets bundled in to standard mac docker so it's just default behaviour. I've spent way too many hours trying to get this - and various other "speed up docker on mac" - configurations set up properly. Could never do it. Guess I'm just dumb, but I just want to press a button or two. I'm not a docker expert - I often don't use it by choice, but have to use it in some client/project situations. It was simply too cumbersome to install/configure last time I tried (2021 and mid 2022).
- voz_ 3y agoWhy are acquisitions legal? Is there ever a serious argument for how a company acquiring another company is net beneficial to users/customers?
- toomuchtodo 3y agoBecause people want an avenue to exit for the time they've spent building.
- e_i_pi_2 3y agoI agree with you, but I think the main argument is that it lets companies provide better products and potentially cheaper prices from vertical integration. Sometimes acquisitions are only done for the human resources, and the customers of the acquirer now benefit from that person. If your competitor knows how to make the same product but cheaper, you can buy them and now your product is cheaper. In theory it makes tons of sense - why compete when we could work together? But as long as we're requiring companies to be profitable we can't also expect them to make decisions that are net beneficial - only net profitable, and the profit motive for wiping out competitors is clear
- e_i_pi_2 3y agoThis is also ignoring the kinda simple case of buying for IP - if you're a toy maker and you want to sell toys for movies, you can do that for free if you also own the movie and avoid licensing fees. Or maybe you need some specific patent and a competitor won't license it to you as long as they're in business because then you legally have to work at a disadvantage - IP is kinda by definition meant to hurt consumers for a period as a reward for the holder, so removing that would make the products better
- joshAg 3y ago> Why are acquisitions legal? It'd take at least semester of public policy, a semester of economics, a semester of history, and a semester of legal studies to adequately answer that. The shorter answer is that nonnatutal persons and natural persons have the same rights to do what they want with their property, barring very specific exemptions. One of those exemptions is monopolies, but (and add this to the list of shit Ronald fucking Reagan and the university of chicago screwed up, too) in the 1980s US anti-monopoly enforcement switched from focusing on ensuring a competitive marketplace to focusing on ensuring economic efficiency and consumer welfare, so it became much much much easier to merge and acquire competitors.
- zegl 3y agoCongrats Jacob! Mutagen always really impressed me, and is some of the most beautiful code I’ve ever read. Well done!
- solarkraft 3y agoOh, so that's why it has an extension for Docker Desktop. Mutagen has become a core part of many of my workflows. The UX can be a little rough, but reliability and speed amazing. Maybe they'll improve it a bit, maybe they'll mess it up, whatever, the current version is very good!