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The Deep Sea (2019)
- abhaynayar 3y agoMy therapist: Japanese spider crab isn't real and it can't hurt you.
- krylon 3y agoThis would be even better if you could click on the various creatures you encounter to get their Wikipedia articles. That said, this is pretty cool. It's made me think how for humans and many other animals, moving 10, 100, even thousands of kilometers horizontally is not a very big deal. But move vertically, and you effectively find yourself in a different world within as little as a few hundred meters.
- eternauta3k 3y agoYou can download it and make this change. Maybe send it to the author instead of publishing it yourself.
- JackFr 3y ago> That said, this is pretty cool. It's made me think how for humans and many other animals, moving 10, 100, even thousands of kilometers horizontally is not a very big deal. But move vertically, and you effectively find yourself in a different world within as little as a few hundred meters. This observation reminded me of 'Dragon's Egg', the SF novel about a civilization on the surface of a neutron star. Because of the intense magnetic field, movement in the east-west direction was easy but very difficult in the north-south direction.
- nerdponx 3y agoA few hundred meters? Even 10 meters under the water feels like an inhospitable alien world, likely to induce a minor sense of panic if you look up and contemplate the amount of water between you and the surface.
- cratermoon 3y agoI used to swim in an Olympic-sized pool with a depth of 10 feet (3m) at one end. I could hold my breath and swim down to the bottom for a minute maybe, and looking around, it was definitely a lot of water. I could feel the pressure even there. I also went snorkeling in Hawaii once in cove that had deep areas easily over 10m. Even looking down at that depth could be disorienting and anxiety-inducing. A hundred meters is technical SCUBA diving depth. A few hundred meters is where military subs hang out, and not much below. A kilometer is crush depth for all but the sturdiest military submarines and special deep-diving vehicles.
- samstave 3y agoI grew up with a Swim Club, and our pool went to 12' deep - and just getting to the drain at the center of the deep-end hurt my ears so bad, that it was an effort. I can pop my ears at will in Air, but underwater, at 12' the pain is intense, and I cant normalize. I couldnt imagine say, 30' deep or anything more.
- p-e-w 3y ago> During the descent [of the Trieste to the Challenger Deep], one of the window panes cracked and shook the entire vessel. ... and still they did not abort the dive. In fact, they continued to go even deeper. Think about that for a second. That's the stuff those explorers (and the people backing them) were made of. No wonder nobody has been to the Moon in 50 years. I can't even imagine where you would find an institution willing to let its employees take such risks today.
- jb1991 3y ago> I can't even imagine where you would find an institution willing to let its employees take such risks today. Uhm, OceansGate?
- klysm 3y agoThat seems to be driven more by naivety than anything else
- AlecSchueler 3y agoIf they survive it's bravery, if they die it's naïvity.
- runesofdoom 3y agoMaxim 43: "If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky."[1] [1]From Schlock Mercenary's "Seventy Maxims of Maximially Effective Mercenaries". https://www.ovalkwiki.com/index.php/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries https://www.ovalkwiki.com/index.php/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Ma...
- jb1991 3y agoNo, it wasn't naivety.
- p-e-w 3y agoI very strongly doubt that they would have continued a dive with a cracked window. Their risk was abstract, and caused by ignorance. The crew of the Trieste continued to descend knowing full well that their vessel was damaged. That's not the same thing in my mind.
- typeofhuman 3y agoNeeds to be updated with the Titan submersible.
- faeyanpiraat 3y agoNo
- themoonisachees 3y agoI thought the same as well, but then seeing the titanic on it just made me think that the titanic is significantly more important than a crushed mass grave tourism sub next to it.
- abhishek_2107 3y agoawesome. i really like this website. visual representations stole my heart.
- MandieD 3y ago"Hadal Zone" is also the name of an album by a fun acoustic guitar duo, Opal Ocean. Great for flamenco fans, and also those who enjoy the occasional 7/4 time signature. I found out about them at a festival in my smallish German city and they were a lovely surprise to the people around me, as well.
- JALTU 3y agoLove this, thank you! Maybe they'll throw some distortion in and become a metal band? (Kidding, sort of.)
- kuon 3y agoIt's great, but the name of the creatures is too thin. I do not have the oswald font and it is using my system font instead, with a text weight of 100, gray and not full opacity, it is really hard to read. I suggest you set the weight to at least 200
- lockedinspace 3y agoVery cool infographic, shared amongst my peers.
- luxuryballs 3y agoHow about that elephant seal! Wow one hell of a diver.
- acqbu 3y agoSeen this a few months ago. Has it been updated to include the Titan or am I missing something?
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y agoI always find it surprising a fish like the orange roughy can live for 200 years without becoming a prey. the sea must be much emptier than it seems.
- galleywest200 3y agoThere is also no sunlight down there, making them a bit harder to eat.
- nonrepeating 3y agoAlso no tartar sauce.
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoDown there it certainly seems to be the case. That said, it's critically important still; it's so remote and shielded, if the earth would be glassed or hit by a meteor, I'm confident life would persist in deep sea pockets and ecosystems. It may be low population, and their lifespans may be long and slow, but they'll survive.
- gooseus 3y agoVery cool. Does need to be updated since the deepest discovered shipwreck is no longer the USS Johnston[1] as of 2022. > The wreck of Samuel B. Roberts lies at a depth of 6,895 meters (22,621 ft; 4.284 mi), making her the deepest known shipwreck and the deepest shipwreck ever identified by a crewed submersible. It exceeds the previous record of 6,469 meters (21,224 ft; 4.020 mi), set in March 2021 when Vescovo's team found and identified the wreck of the destroyer USS Johnston, which was sunk in the same battle. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(DE-413)#Discovery_of_wreck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(DE-413)...
- gausswho 3y agoHow is it the structure of a ship, even thin bars of steel, can withstand the pressure of that depth? How many pounds per square inch would be applied here? Is the pressure a danger for submersibles because of the pressure differential rather than the pressure itself?
- gostsamo 3y agoIf the ship hulk is full of water, the pressure is on both sides. Worst that can happen to such a material is to be compressed, but metal is okay in that regard.
- giantrobot 3y agoPressure differential is definitely one of the bigger problems. In a manned submersible the interior pressure is usually roughly sea level. So you've got hundreds of atmospheres on the outside vs one of the inside. Anything that requires some pressure differential requires a strong pressure vessel. So not just the crew compartment but also camera housing and the like. This is all compounded by the fact the deep ocean is very cold so as a submersible descends there's a thermal gradient with "survivable" on the inside and sun-zero on the outside. Temperature differentials interact with the pressures because the atmospheric pressure and low temperature will both cause material to compress/contract. The whole vessel structure needs to be able to remain structurally sound with all of that expansion and contraction. The submersible is also in salt water which corrodes different materials and can cause electrical shorts. A submersible could have a few successful missions then fail because some corrosion was missed on an inspection. Building a manned or unmanned device to travel to and return from an extreme environment is really hard. You need to understand or at least make educated guesses about the target environment, understand your building materials, your construction processes, validate and bench test as much as possible, and have the same amount of thought go into actual operations. "Fuck it we'll do it live" is not a recipe for success.
- dang 3y agoRelated: The Deep Sea - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29290204 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29290204 - Nov 2021 (45 comments) The Deep Sea - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21850527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21850527 - Dec 2019 (96 comments) The Deep Sea - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21787563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21787563 - Dec 2019 (1 comment) The Deep Sea (Scrolling Experience) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21774643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21774643 - Dec 2019 (1 comment)
- fsflover 3y agoSee also: Space Elevator - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35629972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35629972 68 days ago | 210 comments
- pfdietz 3y agoThe USS Johnston is no longer the deepest wreck found. That honor goes to another ship lost at the Battle Off Samar: the famous DE-413, USS Samuel B. Roberts. The ship's final action report: https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewPDFs/USN/Action%20reports/USS.Samuel.B.Roberts.DE.413.Action.Rpt.Loss.of.1944-10-25.pdf https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewPDFs/USN/Action%20re... "The crew were informed over the loud speaker system at the beginning of the action, of the Commanding Officer's estimate of the situation, that is, a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival could not be expected, during which time we would do what damage we could. In the face of this knowledge the men zealously manned their stations wherever they might be, and fought and worked with such calmness, courage, and efficiency that no higher honor could be conceived than to command such a group of men."
- wewxjfq 3y agoAlso, I didn't do the math, but I wonder if the claim that more people have been to the moon than the Hadal Zone is still true. Ironically, the same person that made the USS Johnston statement obsolete would also be responsible for that, because he made so many descents with different people.
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoI haven't done a lot of research, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadal_zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadal_zone seems to suggest it really has only been a handful of people; Jaques Picard and John Walsh, James Cameron, and a few Chinese and Japanese explorers; even unmanned craft struggle to go down that far it seems. Which... is kinda weird to me, like with space missions, I'd expect them to launch probes or permanent unmanned observation things down there. Surely they can transfer data through water efficiently enough? I can imagine they don't want to use nuclear power (like a RTG) on those though, which limits lifetime. A cable going to the surface will be difficult as well, because of its own weight and currents.
- ploek 3y ago> Surely they can transfer data through water efficiently enough? Actually, no. Water absorbs most of the electromagnetic spectrum pretty well, severely limiting the communication range. So you're limited to low frequencies or acoustic communication. Both have a low bandwidth, so forget live video footage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines
- iso1631 3y ago> More people have been to the Moon than the Hadal Zone. It amazes me that a film director is one of the about 8 people to have been that deep.
- ryanSrich 3y agoNot only that. He was deeply involved in the design and engineering of the vessel he took to the Marianas trench.
- komali2 3y agoHe just happens to be famous for being a film director, among submariner circles he's far more than a film director.
- iso1631 3y agoYes, he seems to do the film stuff to fund his passion. It's a really unusual thing. Bit like Musk with spacex before he went off the crazy end with his twitter nonsense.
- avgcorrection 3y agoSounds like a small circle.
- saasxyz 3y agodo you see James Cameron in the site? I remember seeing his name when I last checked this project but now gone.
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- tigerpillow 3y agoAny idea on how to build this? I am thinking about doing the same for emperors and kings etc etc. Not sure if there is a framework of some sort or just js+css. I love all his projects! The one called "spend Bill Gate's money" is really funny too. He also curates a site that collects similar fun projects
- methodical 3y agoNo need for a framework or anything of the sort as far as I see it. Establish your scale in some manner which can be converted to a distance relative to the top of the page and position the elements absolutely to their proportional position. You can use this same scale against the scrollY attribute to know where you are relative to the top (in this case for rendering the depth).
- Teichopsia 3y agoYou could use intersection observer to check the position of an element. I can't remember if there was a native way of doing it in CSS (for some reason it's stored in memory that it was recently added to CSS)... The closest is scroll snap.
- jurgemaister 3y agoHave a look at transform-when[1]. It might suit your needs. Demo can be seen here[2]. [1] https://github.com/callumacrae/transform-when https://github.com/callumacrae/transform-when [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20171203224250/https://samknows.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20171203224250/https://samknows....
- NikolaNovak 3y agoAmazing. I am a reasonably educated person and I would've significantly underestimated the depths of most living creature representatives, based on my limited knowledge of pressure math.
- isolli 3y agoI wonder which animal has the widest depth range. Some of the deepest sea creatures would not survive being brought to the surface.
- seanc 3y agoDoesn't have to be that deep; rockfish live at about 100m and don't survive a trip to the surface unless very carefully returned back to depth.
- liendolucas 3y agoFantastic, marine life is so amazing! I was also expecting to see the Limiting Factor which is another terrific submarine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSV_Limiting_Factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSV_Limiting_Factor), but I guess that the author only mentioned the Trieste as they were pioneers. Edit: Maybe the author can also include: the deepest freedive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Nitsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Nitsch which is something truly remarkable as well.
- komali2 3y agoHow the hell does an animal like the elephant seal dive more than 2km deep? That's just crazy!
- wheelerof4te 3y agoIt because of the gradual adjustment to pressure during the dive. If you took elephant seal from the surface and teleported it 2km deep underwater, it would die a horrible death.
- luxuryballs 3y agothat’s so crazy to think about, imagine experiencing this as a biological body, I wonder how long it takes them to descend and ascend, just thinking about the prolonged water logging makes me claustrophobic
- pugworthy 3y agoOr the CUVIER'S BEAKED WHALE
- nestock 3y agoNicely done and very interesting, yet this gives me so much anxiety
- scary-size 3y agoAwesome feature! Really like the simplicity of it. No super fancy animation, just enough data to keep you scrolling until the end. Your next coffee is on me ;)
- 13of40 3y agoInteresting point about the Trieste if nobody has mentioned it yet: The big part on top isn't where the crew goes, it's a tank of lighter-than-water liquid that regulates the buoyancy of the rest of the equipment. It's liquid instead of gas so it's incompressible and doesn't implode. The little ball on the bottom is where the people sat. So it's like an underwater Zeppelin.
- eternauta3k 3y agoNitpick, the reason the float doesn't implode is because it's open at the bottom. As the gasoline (very slightly) contracts, seawater comes in. From the wikipedia article.
- ramshanker 3y agoIf life could exist 10km below the ocean, I have strong gut feeling, we will find life deep inside the Jupiter thick atmosphere. Whatever depth that may be. It is like there is a FISH WITH WORKING EYE at 10km depth, so for much simplified multicellular organisms, limit could be even more extreme.
- Root_Denied 3y agoThe problem I see with that line of thinking is that there's a long chain of evolution underpinning that fish living at 10km depth, it didn't pop into existence being able to live in that environment. I do think finding extremophiles in the solar system is a distinct possibility (Titan seems like a good bet) but I'm doubtful any of it will be multicellular.
- giantrobot 3y agoIt's my understanding unicellular life popped up on Earth pretty much as soon as it had a non-lava surface. While Earth seems super friendly today it was incredibly hostile when life formed. Early life on Earth were all what we'd consider extremophiles or at least extreme-adjacent. I'd bet (at least a small amount of money) that life, at least the most basic unicellular life, will pop up wherever the requisite materials exist in environments where they're not immediately destroyed but have enough external energy to facilitate some more energy intensive chemical reactions. Jupiter's atmosphere (to me) seems just as likely a place for life to form as the surface of Titan. It would be harder for us to find that life since the environment is so demanding compared to our level of technology. The surface of Titan or Europa are much easier exploration targets relative to Jupiter's atmosphere.
- andrewflnr 3y agoI broadly agree on the timeline, but "as soon as it had a non-lava surface" is still plus/minus a couple hundred Mya. I do believe temperate conditions were a requirement. I doubt the first cell membranes, for instance, were terribly robust.
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- nerdponx 3y agoThe sheer depth of course is astounding, and the fact that life can exist at such depths is also astounding, but the most astounding thing to me is to see terrestrial animals diving hundreds of meters, and aquatic mammals diving thousands, and moreover large creatures like sharks apparently living comfortably in the upper and middle regions of the midnight zone, alongside the skeletal and bioluminescent creatures we usually think of as inhabiting that area. Why?! What revolutionary pressure selected for the ability to dive hundreds of meters underwater from the surface or close to it, presumably to where food is more scarce? Is it easier to hunt down there? Less competition from less highly adapted animals? It seems like such an extreme adaptation that you have to presume it predates our modern familiar species of penguins, pinnipeds and cetacea.
- darkerside 3y agoAs a thought exercise, what evolutionary pressure drove deep sea creatures to make the tremendous effort required to leave the depths of the ocean in the first place?
- kuhewa 3y agoThe deep scattering layer which is made up of various organisms from planktonic to laternfish and larger squid undergoes a diel vertical migration from near the surface at night to well into the mesopelagic zone (200-1000m) during the day, and while the ultimate driver involves illuminance, the evolutionary pressures are complex and involve bottom up and top down forcing (e.g. following food or avoiding predators). Higher trophic level predators have adapted to bounce dive or undergo their own DVM to match and have to deal with cold, low oxygen (although hypoxia can be ecologically limiting in some areas), but the pressure, which isn't that big of a deal especially if you have limited air spaces. Once you can dive to 600-1000 m the pressure differential is not that much greater to go a bit deeper compared to at shallower depths (relative difference between 800-1600 m is the same as 0-10m). There appear to be other functional behaviours besides foraging that push the physiological limits of these animals, for example the webpage has the typical daytime depths of swordfish of 550m which is accurate and they will stay there from dawn to dusk typically, but very rarely they will bounce dive 1000m - 1400m+. Possibly, although not confirmed, related to the need to calibrate navigational faculties.
- vhiremath4 3y agoThis is so dope! I find myself wanting to click on each of these creatures/things and have a wikipedia page open so I can go deep (pun intended) :)
- Nydhal 3y agoThe deepest shipwreck was found last year: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2022/7/worlds-deepest-shipwreck-found-almost-7-km-beneath-the-waves-710330 https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2022/7/worlds-deep...
- pavel_lishin 3y agoI just finished reading "A Darkling Sea", which I highly recommend - set at the bottom of the ocean on an ice moon like Europa - where the humans involved face similar challenges as descending down into Earth's oceans.
- mparnisari 3y agoI love the music from the "space elevator" animation.
- mckeed 3y agoI kept being surprised seeing air-breathers deeper and deeper. I had no idea narwhals dove down to the depths where things live on hydro-thermal vents. Also that penguins have been near twice as deep as scuba divers.
- pugworthy 3y agoSame! Scrolling along and suddenly, "Wait! Narwhal!?" Then it's, "Wait!! Elephant Seal!!??"
- pugworthy 3y agoCUVIER'S BEAKED WHALE!!!
- zonkerdonker 3y agoThe elephant seal really threw me for a loop, so I looked it up and [1]. It's not even close to accurate. I also couldn't verify any recorded dives of chinook salmon that deep either. A bit disappointing, this chart would be really cool if it was accurate [1] http://mirounga.ucsc.edu/leboeuf/pdfs/PatternDepthofDives.1986.pdf http://mirounga.ucsc.edu/leboeuf/pdfs/PatternDepthofDives.19... (pdf warning)
- plewd 3y agoI believe it's the deepest dive recorded of those animals (or at least that was the case for the narwhal)
- I_am_tiberius 3y agoWow, didn't know a something like a spider crab exists.
- whereistejas 3y agoThis has to be the coolest thing I have seen in a while! Super cool!
- dylan604 3y agoJapanese Spider Crab will now forever be in my nightmares. 3.8m leg span can go straight to the top of the things I don't want to chase me list
- aaaronu 3y agoWhat in gods name are emperor penguins doing 535m below the surface?
- timbit42 3y agoEating and/or avoiding predators.
- mrleinad 3y agoMandatory plug: Checkout Subnautica if you want a game that triggers your thalassophobia.