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> Even among democrats, only a slim majority of 53%, consider porn to be morally acceptable for adult consumption Is that from this[1]? Because this is a meani

by Brybry 3y ago

> Even among democrats, only a slim majority of 53%, consider porn to be morally acceptable for adult consumption Is that from this[1]? Because this is a meaningless question. How many people think alcohol is bad for you? Compare this with how many people still drink alcohol anyway. And with how well prohibition worked (and alcohol objectively is bad for you). ~69% of US adult men age 30 to 49 watched porn from 2021 to 2022. Only 12% of them claimed they have never watched porn. [2] And that's assuming some of the 12% are not lying. [3] The answer to porn issues for minors in households is good parenting, not a clumsy state law-mandated technical solution. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/235280/americans-say-pornography-morally-acceptable.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/235280/americans-say-pornograph... [2] https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/march-2022-aps/ https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/march-2022-aps... [3] https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-truth-hurts-less-pornography-use-disclosure-vs-deception https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-truth-hurts-less-pornography-...

GloomyBoots 3y ago
It is from there. It’s not a meaningless question at all, but a somewhat useful proxy for gauging opinion on porn generally in the absence of polling on this specific issue. Your alcohol comparison is apt, and despite total prohibition being a failure (although dry counties exist today without descending into mayhem), most people don’t want their kid to be able to go buy vodka on a whim with no safeguards, and legislation reflects that. When children grow up in an unhealthy environment, it has negative consequences. You can blame parents all you want, but parents shouldn’t need to be tyrannical to enforce basic social mores that they and their neighbors agree upon. If I don’t want my kid seeing 4K meticulously produced videos of surgically altered women getting violently choked out and treated like sex toys by random men, what is my reasonable responsibility as a parent? I have to know how to set up some sort of blocker on all devices, monitor their computer usage at all times, not get them a smartphone, not allow them to go to school with all of the other kids with smartphones, not allow them to have any friends over with smartphones, not allow them to go to friends’ houses where the same measures aren’t taken. What is my reasonable responsibility as a parent who doesn’t want my kids to drink vodka? Don’t leave it around, don’t buy it for them, don’t let them go to friends houses where the parents do either of the former. There’s a chance someone could sneak it onto a school bus, but it’s not always there just a tap away. But your other numbers have no bearing on this at all. One can have vices, recognize them as such, and not want children to have those same vices. I smoke. I’d quit, but I do actually enjoy it. I try to do it away from people. I feel guilty when some kid comes up to me and asks about it. I tell them that it’s stupid and disgusting. I’m happy for measures to be taken to prevent them from taking it up. I’m fine with paying the extra taxes that are intended to discourage such an unhealthy behavior.
- Brybry 3y ago
  > basic social mores that they and their neighbors agree upon. > not allow them to go to school with all of the other kids with smartphones, not allow them to have any friends over with smartphones, not allow them to go to friends’ houses where the same measures aren’t taken There's some dissonance here. When I was a kid my parents (and my friends' parents) didn't let us stay up all night watching TV. And the TV had parental controls so we couldn't watch the restricted channels. They generally supervised our computer usage and computer time. They weren't hovering over our shoulders but they regularly checked in so we knew they were around. It's often obvious when kids are doing something they know they shouldn't because they either get real quiet or real loud. Parents on HN often say it's socially damaging to not let kids have smartphones because the other kids have smartphones. If smartphones are such a big issue (and not just for porn) then why don't parents get together at a PTA meeting and agree to only get their kids dumb phones? They'd all save money and even if it's only most of the parents that agree then the social standing argument should matter less. > What is my reasonable responsibility as a parent who doesn’t want my kids to drink vodka? Don’t leave it around, don’t buy it for them, don’t let them go to friends houses where the parents do either of the former. There’s a chance someone could sneak it onto a school bus, but it’s not always there just a tap away. You know pornography has existed for ages right? The pre-internet movie trope of teenagers keeping dirty magazines under their mattress is a trope for a reason. The general problem has always existed. In my opinion it's a matter of being involved in your kid's life, making sure they know they can talk to you, and most importantly about establishing trust with your kid. If you have good reasons your kid shouldn't look at porn, and you explain them, and they understand those reasons, and they trust you, and you trust them then I think in most cases you're probably going to be ok. Sure, that last "and they trust you and you trust them" bit will fail sometimes. But that's why parenting is hard. And the lessons learned from breaking that trust will be important lessons on how relationships work. I stole money from my sister a few times and my dad eventually caught me. It was a pivotal learning experience on relationships and trust for me. As an aside, with regards to the vokda bit. Here in Louisiana there was alcohol at most parties I went to in high school. It was almost absurdly available. Afaik it's was sometimes (usually?) even legal. Teenagers aren't allowed to purchase alcohol but possession/consumption on private property (or with legal guardian approval) can be. [1] [1] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/underage-drinking/state-profiles/louisiana/70 https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/underage-drinking/state-...

by Brybry 3y ago

GloomyBoots 3y ago

It is from there. It’s not a meaningless question at all, but a somewhat useful proxy for gauging opinion on porn generally in the absence of polling on this specific issue. Your alcohol comparison is apt, and despite total prohibition being a failure (although dry counties exist today without descending into mayhem), most people don’t want their kid to be able to go buy vodka on a whim with no safeguards, and legislation reflects that. When children grow up in an unhealthy environment, it has negative consequences. You can blame parents all you want, but parents shouldn’t need to be tyrannical to enforce basic social mores that they and their neighbors agree upon. If I don’t want my kid seeing 4K meticulously produced videos of surgically altered women getting violently choked out and treated like sex toys by random men, what is my reasonable responsibility as a parent? I have to know how to set up some sort of blocker on all devices, monitor their computer usage at all times, not get them a smartphone, not allow them to go to school with all of the other kids with smartphones, not allow them to have any friends over with smartphones, not allow them to go to friends’ houses where the same measures aren’t taken. What is my reasonable responsibility as a parent who doesn’t want my kids to drink vodka? Don’t leave it around, don’t buy it for them, don’t let them go to friends houses where the parents do either of the former. There’s a chance someone could sneak it onto a school bus, but it’s not always there just a tap away. But your other numbers have no bearing on this at all. One can have vices, recognize them as such, and not want children to have those same vices. I smoke. I’d quit, but I do actually enjoy it. I try to do it away from people. I feel guilty when some kid comes up to me and asks about it. I tell them that it’s stupid and disgusting. I’m happy for measures to be taken to prevent them from taking it up. I’m fine with paying the extra taxes that are intended to discourage such an unhealthy behavior.

Brybry 3y ago
> basic social mores that they and their neighbors agree upon. > not allow them to go to school with all of the other kids with smartphones, not allow them to have any friends over with smartphones, not allow them to go to friends’ houses where the same measures aren’t taken There's some dissonance here. When I was a kid my parents (and my friends' parents) didn't let us stay up all night watching TV. And the TV had parental controls so we couldn't watch the restricted channels. They generally supervised our computer usage and computer time. They weren't hovering over our shoulders but they regularly checked in so we knew they were around. It's often obvious when kids are doing something they know they shouldn't because they either get real quiet or real loud. Parents on HN often say it's socially damaging to not let kids have smartphones because the other kids have smartphones. If smartphones are such a big issue (and not just for porn) then why don't parents get together at a PTA meeting and agree to only get their kids dumb phones? They'd all save money and even if it's only most of the parents that agree then the social standing argument should matter less. > What is my reasonable responsibility as a parent who doesn’t want my kids to drink vodka? Don’t leave it around, don’t buy it for them, don’t let them go to friends houses where the parents do either of the former. There’s a chance someone could sneak it onto a school bus, but it’s not always there just a tap away. You know pornography has existed for ages right? The pre-internet movie trope of teenagers keeping dirty magazines under their mattress is a trope for a reason. The general problem has always existed. In my opinion it's a matter of being involved in your kid's life, making sure they know they can talk to you, and most importantly about establishing trust with your kid. If you have good reasons your kid shouldn't look at porn, and you explain them, and they understand those reasons, and they trust you, and you trust them then I think in most cases you're probably going to be ok. Sure, that last "and they trust you and you trust them" bit will fail sometimes. But that's why parenting is hard. And the lessons learned from breaking that trust will be important lessons on how relationships work. I stole money from my sister a few times and my dad eventually caught me. It was a pivotal learning experience on relationships and trust for me. As an aside, with regards to the vokda bit. Here in Louisiana there was alcohol at most parties I went to in high school. It was almost absurdly available. Afaik it's was sometimes (usually?) even legal. Teenagers aren't allowed to purchase alcohol but possession/consumption on private property (or with legal guardian approval) can be. [1] [1] https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/underage-drinking/state-profiles/louisiana/70 https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/underage-drinking/state-...