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Amendment introduced to limit remote working in Ohio
- drdec 3y agoThe headline is misleading, the amendment would limit remote work for the state of Ohio.
- chasingthewind 3y ago> If the measure survives, Ohioans who work for the state of Ohio would be limited to only eight hours of remote work each week. Specifically state government workers.
- karaterobot 3y agoThat is, it applies only to people who work for the state government of Ohio specifically.
- jkubicek 3y ago> If the measure survives, Ohioans who work for the state of Ohio would be limited to only eight hours of remote work each week. The amendment limits remote work for Ohioans working for the state of Ohio. Probably still silly and short-sighted, but not as bad as I was imagining.
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- thehappypm 3y agoAs a taxpayer I think in-person work reduces waste
- darklion 3y agoCitation needed.
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- diegoholiveira 3y agoIt’s a personal opinion, citation is not required.
- tomrod 3y agoSubjective judgements which are quantifiably proven or disproven should be replaced with evidence.
- LadyCailin 3y agoNo it’s not. A personal opinion would be “I wish people would work in person more often.” “In person work reduces waste” is a (perhaps true, perhaps not) statement of fact, which is very reasonable to ask for a citation about.
- diegoholiveira 3y ago“i think” is what makes it a personal opinion.
- EA-3167 3y agoWhat's the evidence for your belief? What sort of waste are we talking about? Is that waste enough to offset the fuel/time use for commuting?
- thehappypm 3y agoThe waste of government employees pretending to work at home, funded by tax dollars. It’s a huge epidemic that the pandemic made into a gold mine
- aeze 3y agoI'd be careful of such a generalization. Studies seem to be a wash. I'd imagine it depends on the policies and processes of a given organization.
- candiddevmike 3y agoRemote work is the ultimate way to get offices to become paperless.
- chrismcb 3y agoI don't know why you need to clarify that you are a taxpayer. But I would argue that in person work creates more waste. Between commuting and real estate. It might be easier for a remote worker to not work, but it should be easy for a manager to notice their employee isn't working.
- vore 3y agoWell, as a taxpayer I think in-person work increases waste. Now it's even!
- jschveibinz 3y agoThis is a valid opinion. No downvotes are necessary for valid opinions. This is an open forum, not a shooting gallery.
- rimunroe 3y agoA factual claim is by definition not an opinion
- whyenot 3y agoAs a taxpayer, I think a lot of different things. That doesn't mean I am right! State employees also do a lot of different jobs. A park ranger working remotely might indeed be wasteful, but maybe someone who is an accountant gets more done working remotely.
- Jcowell 3y agowhat kind of waste? certainly not co2 emissions
- vlunkr 3y agoThis applies only to employees of the state: > Ohioans who work for the state of Ohio would be limited to only eight hours of remote work each week Seems like a pretty arbitrary thing to set in stone.
- carabiner 3y agoHow can I even sleep knowing Ohio exists?
- MissTake 3y agoMe too & I live in this godforsaken state.
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- kneebonian 3y agoWell this is about the kind of thing I'd expect from Ohio....
- cebert 3y agoAre employees of state universities considered to be employees of the state? If so, it seems like this legislation could be impactful to academia.
- analog31 3y agoGenerally yes (former State U employee, and spouse of State U employee). On the other hand, salaried workers aren't required to report their hours. Unless the state wants to pay them overtime.
- kesslern 3y agoIt's not mentioned in the article but the language is such that state employees are limited to 8 hours of working from home. Coffee shops, a neighbor's house, restaurants, all fine.
- onemoresoop 3y agoNice loophole find.
- jonny_eh 3y agoMaybe they can work at a library, those are government buildings afterall.
- Terr_ 3y agoOK, so state employees would be hard-limited to 8h/week... But why does that policy need to be codified into state law across all possible state employees and agencies, and not just a policy decided by different agencies or offices or managers? I can't help but feel there's some hidden agenda by whichever anonymous Ohio legislators introduced the provision into the bill. ____ Found another article [0], which says: > Senate President Matt Huffman (R-Lima) said the suggestion to force state workers to return to their offices came from a member of the Ohio House. Huffman didn't identify that member. The provision was not part of the House version of the budget. > [...] Huffman said 10 years ago, when he was in the House, if he had an issue with someone at the Ohio Department of Education, he could walk over to their office and talk to them about it. He said that's not the case anymore. There are times when issues cannot be resolved with a phone call, Huffman also said. Sounds almost as if the legislators don't like teleconferencing, and miss their ability to go throw their weight around in person at the capitol. [0] https://www.statenews.org/government-politics/2023-06-20/state-workers-might-not-be-able-to-work-from-home-as-much-anymore-if-senate-budget-provision-passes https://www.statenews.org/government-politics/2023-06-20/sta...
- unsupp0rted 3y agoI suppose if it's a state law it reduces all the time wasted by employees renegotiating this every month or so on a per-office, per-boss level. Not to mention the jealousy and back-stabbing that would result from one office having unlimited remote work and another one having almost none.
- jonny_eh 3y agoThat, or commercial real estate is a powerful lobby group.
- giantrobot 3y agoSounds like a case of "and" rather than "or".
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- renewiltord 3y agoRemember: regulations are written in blood.
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- trickyager 3y agoWhile generally fair, if this were specifically true for regulations about remote work, then working from home would be promoted and not limited.
- renewiltord 3y agoWe should leave regulating to professionals who are trained in doing this. Software Engineers are not trained in determining the economic and health risks from working from home and therefore their opinion should be disregarded. Software engineers are trained in detecting security risks and it is well known that physical access is everything. Therefore, state employee hardware should be kept in a well-regulated, physically secure facility protected by trained and licensed security staff. Remote work is not conducive to that. State workers are, by definition, working on sensitive materials regarding governance. Therefore, we must ensure that their work is safe and secure, and that access and authorization is controlled.
- jrs235 3y agoQuestion: Are state employee pensions considered income earned in the state the employee worked while earning it? Or can they move out of state and avoid state income taxes? Should they be able to?
- morvita 3y agoMy mother was a teacher before she retired to a different state than she'd worked in. She now has to file income taxes in the state she receives the pension from and the state she currently lives in each year.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoI find this hard to believe. Which state is this? I cannot imagine a state has the right to tax people who do not step into the state.
- sofixa 3y agoThe US does this on the country level (US citizens have to declare and are taxed on income even if they don't live in the US), so why not?
- lotsofpulp 3y agoBecause the rules are different for federal and non federal government. I have never seen a US state or smaller jurisdiction be able to tax an entity that does not perform work or reside within its boundaries, so I am curious which one it is so I can look it up. See this federal law prohibiting states from taxing non residents: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/114 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/114 > (a) No State may impose an income tax on any retirement income of an individual who is not a resident or domiciliary of such State (as determined under the laws of such State). Based on the answers to this question, what I suspect is happening is to morvita’s mom is erroneously having state income taxes withheld for a state she does not live in, which she is then filing a non resident tax return to get a refund. https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/state-taxes/discussion/i-receive-a-pension-from-one-state-but-live-in-another-state-do-i-have-to-pay-state-taxes-in-both/00/521403 https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/state-taxes/discussion/i-r... However, morvita’s mom should just tell the pension administrator to stop withholding income tax that they will never owe.
- mistrial9 3y agoduring an adjustment phase of residential real estate in the continental US, maybe around 2008-2010.. one of the very few places in the entire US where home prices fell, was in Ohio.
- pipeline_peak 3y agoI work remotely from Virginia…centered in Ohio. Not feeling good about this
- MissTake 3y ago"Prohibits state employees from working from home for more than eight hours per forty hour workweek for the time period beginning October 1, 2023, and ending June 30, 2025." As @kesslern stated earlier, coffee shops are totally fine still, as are libraries, other people's homes, even the parks... This is why we should never allow politicians to get involved in politics.