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Both of which are forms of discovery

by borski 3y ago

rationalist 3y ago
I can very easily "discover" how to make an illegal <item> in under a minute using the internet, does that mean I should be allowed to have it? I'm pretty sure your response is not what the GP meant.
- thunderbong 3y ago
  Sure. And if there are consequences, face them.
  - rationalist 3y ago
    Generally kids are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions which is why parents and their communities set rules/restrictions for kids.
    - rationalist 3y ago
      I'm curious as to the reasoning behind why someone apparently disagrees with that.
      - borski 3y ago
        Likely a teenager ;)
      - Retric 3y ago
        Generally humans are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions… Thus saying kids can’t preform superhuman feats isn’t an argument that they should be required to do anything.
    - borski 3y ago
      Oh, so you've been a teenager before, too? :) (I recently saw a fantastic episode of "The Mind, Explained" on Netflix that describes this phenomenon well, along with why it happens: https://www.netflix.com/watch/81273770 https://www.netflix.com/watch/81273770)
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  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    "if there are consequences" is begging the question.
ilyt 3y ago
Sure but that's like discovering how to make pizza vs discovering how to put a frozen pizza into a microwave. You'd be generally more proud from the first one
- borski 3y ago
  Depends on how much you cook and how good you are at it, right? When I was a kid, I was damn proud of "discovering" Sub7 and using it to fuck with all of my friends, teaching them to do the same. Years later, I would "discover" how to read assembly by reading a book on it and then "discover" pirated copies of various disassemblers online and use them to reverse engineer games, write keygens, etc. Years later, I would write my first 0day exploit and then eventually make a whole career out of that. But I was just as proud of discovering and using Sub7 to mess around as a kid as I was popping my first shell. I just knew more at each stage; the act of 'discovery' felt little different, though.
  - avg_dev 3y ago
    idk what sub7 is, but this is a great post. i like it a lot. sometimes i find it easy to forget what learning is and how it can take place and that we learn from each other and each other's work and sometimes we discover something that no one has discovered before -- it is all learning. thanks.
    - borski 3y ago
      amen. also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7
- worewood 3y ago
  The amount of preteens I've seen that can't even feed themselves these days without help from their mom, I'd say microwaving a pizza is an achievement.
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Both of which are forms of discovery

by borski 3y ago

Both of which are forms of discovery

I can very easily "discover" how to make an illegal <item> in under a minute using the internet, does that mean I should be allowed to have it? I'm pretty sure your response is not what the GP meant.

thunderbong 3y ago
Sure. And if there are consequences, face them.
- rationalist 3y ago
  Generally kids are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions which is why parents and their communities set rules/restrictions for kids.
  - rationalist 3y ago
    I'm curious as to the reasoning behind why someone apparently disagrees with that.
    - borski 3y ago
      Likely a teenager ;)
    - Retric 3y ago
      Generally humans are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions… Thus saying kids can’t preform superhuman feats isn’t an argument that they should be required to do anything.
  - borski 3y ago
    Oh, so you've been a teenager before, too? :) (I recently saw a fantastic episode of "The Mind, Explained" on Netflix that describes this phenomenon well, along with why it happens: https://www.netflix.com/watch/81273770 https://www.netflix.com/watch/81273770)
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- Dylan16807 3y ago
  "if there are consequences" is begging the question.

ilyt 3y ago

Sure but that's like discovering how to make pizza vs discovering how to put a frozen pizza into a microwave. You'd be generally more proud from the first one

borski 3y ago
Depends on how much you cook and how good you are at it, right? When I was a kid, I was damn proud of "discovering" Sub7 and using it to fuck with all of my friends, teaching them to do the same. Years later, I would "discover" how to read assembly by reading a book on it and then "discover" pirated copies of various disassemblers online and use them to reverse engineer games, write keygens, etc. Years later, I would write my first 0day exploit and then eventually make a whole career out of that. But I was just as proud of discovering and using Sub7 to mess around as a kid as I was popping my first shell. I just knew more at each stage; the act of 'discovery' felt little different, though.
- avg_dev 3y ago
  idk what sub7 is, but this is a great post. i like it a lot. sometimes i find it easy to forget what learning is and how it can take place and that we learn from each other and each other's work and sometimes we discover something that no one has discovered before -- it is all learning. thanks.
  - borski 3y ago
    amen. also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7
worewood 3y ago
The amount of preteens I've seen that can't even feed themselves these days without help from their mom, I'd say microwaving a pizza is an achievement.
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