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That was not my experience. The message was bitterness, and there is a reason their lot is poorly perceived. Try /r/menslib for a healthier discussion that isn
by nicbou 3y ago
That was not my experience. The message was bitterness, and there is a reason their lot is poorly perceived.
Try /r/menslib for a healthier discussion that isn’t centred around blaming women for everything.
- guerrilla 3y agoThey mean the message of the movie not the community.
- snehk 3y ago> that isn’t centred around blaming women for everything. Without clicking the link, I just know it's gonna be the patriarchy/masculinity, right?
- nicbou 3y agoKind of? It’s a bit of everything, because the place fosters civil discussion. It’s a pleasamt place to talk it out, which is the whole point.
- snehk 3y agoIf it fosters civil discussion because everything is discussed through the same lens that you agree with, which is the exact same view point as 4000 other feminist subreddits, then I'm not sure how it would add anything.
- Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago> I just know it's gonna be the patriarchy/masculinity, right? I don't think a single person blames masculinity for mens problems. Did you by any chance hear the word toxic masculinity and assume all masuclinity was under attack because that is not the same? Also, ngl your comment reads like "ohh why am I bleeding, without checking with a doctor I am gonna guess the answer is the knife lodged in my back, right?" Like the sarcastic tone is there but the answer is still right. Post-sarcasm is a 10 year old concept but damn your comment is almost museum worthy.
- jadamson 3y agoName a positive masculine trait, something which men tend to have and women tend not to (should go without saying - it's not a "masculine" trait otherwise). I look forward to your rendition of 4'33".
- Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago> Name a positive masculine trait, something which men tend to have and women tend not to This question is wrong. I mean, in the sense that a valid english sentence does not mean a valid question. See for example "which colour is the number 4" or "how many notes does the capital of france have". They are syntactically valid questions but have no real meaning. There are no masculine traits that men have and women dont, that is not what masculinity even means. What traits, behaviours and modes of expression are related to masculinity (in western culture) are things such as leadership, honor, aggresion, competitiveness. There is a long history as to why this is the case, some cultural, some historical some arguable biological essentialist. But just because testosterone makes you more aggresive, and more competitive does not mean women are not, or can not be, competitive or ambitious. In the same veing that feminine traits like emotional regulation, teammwork, compassion etc are not something men do not have. It is not like men only do individual sports and women only do team sports. in other words, pitting them as exclussionary is framing the entire conversation wrong, and therefore even haviing this as an assumption "should go without saying - it's not a "masculine" trait otherwise" makes the entire question wrong. From false you can prove anything, is an old adage in formal logic F -> any(P) . but you cannot, and should not form a basis of "masculine traits are those not expressed by women", but "masculine traits are the cultural aspects related to masculinity in a specific culture". Now you can define masculinity and time period and culture and get an answer. But the definition of "not expressed by women" is just wrong from the offset.
- BlargMcLarg 3y agoIt's a honeypot. It prioritizes feminism / viewing issues under the lens of feminism, over solving the issues boys/men have. In bad cases, the advice given is downright self-destructive, as the political/social climate is not there for individual men to act the way that sub would recommend. So yes, you're correct.
- Gareth321 3y agoYup! https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/wiki/meta/profeminist https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/wiki/meta/profeminist > We use many of the tools created by feminism to discuss and address men's issues. They hit every feminist buzzword in existence here, including patriarchy: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/wiki/glossary https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/wiki/glossary This place appears about as toxic for men as any place I could ever imagine. I feel sorry for anyone tricked into joining that community.
- Der_Einzige 3y agoSorry, any mention of "biological essentialism" is explicitly banned there. Unfortunately, a lot of biology is indeed objective essentialist. It's a terrible subreddit made for people who think that the solution to every problem that men face is to simply go read "Come as You Are" or some other shit from Bell Hooks.
- cies 3y agoSo biology says tomato is a fruit. In the kitchen we consider it a vegetable. Could the same be true for the whole gender discussion? That biology gets side-stepped in the name of common sense (that does not answer questions regarding toilets, sports competitions and mis-pronouning; but it would give us some space without totally invalidating biology)
- zmgsabst 3y agoBut the whole tension is over sports: Do we base sports on the biological reality of sex or mute our awareness of that objective fact[1] to preference “identity” — even if the outcome is females[2] no longer having a space to compete? [1] - Humans like other apes (and mammals) are sexually dimorphic. [2] - Female is the scientific term referring to the sex.
- cies 3y agoI think in sports we should "call a tomato a fruit" where at work/school/sociallife we should call a tomato a vegetable is the tomato wishes to be called a vegetable. :) It does not make sense in sports. Otherwise the women's leagues would become trans-leagues.
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- bobsmooth 3y agoWarning, if you are a man with low self-esteem do not visit that sub.
- bobsmooth 3y agoIf you need an example: "I'm nearing 30. I've internalized the "leave women alone at all times" and "men are trash" rhetoric so hard that I almost consider myself a burden to them simply by existing. I've gone out of my way to minimize interactions with women because I've catastrophized that my mere presence is bothersome." https://old.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/13ov3wh/spare_a_kind_thought_for_the_polite_horny_teen_boy/jl6ecvw/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/13ov3wh/spare_a_ki...
- Workaccount2 3y agoI've heard conspiracy that 3rd wave feminism is just a tool for filtering out weak men like this guy.
- jadamson 3y ago[flagged]
- zb3 3y agoDoes that disqualify their problems? I don't get your sentiment.
- jadamson 3y agoMensLib is overflowing with the kind of male feminist who will sling around "incel" as an insult for even the most milquetoast of takes. And since the Red Pill documentary (bad name, middling content) was mentioned, I'll also point out that one of the feminists who featured in it was later outed as a sex pest, despite desperately trying to position himself as One of the Good Ones™: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kimmel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kimmel At best, MensLib types are annoying sycophants. At worst, they're wolves in sheep's clothing. In both cases, it's comedy. That's not to say that Andrew Tate et al. aren't issues as well, but at least they're dressed appropriately.
- mpweiher 3y ago> outed as a sex pest Accused. Last I checked these were different things.
- belorn 3y agoIt wasn't that many years ago people did word bubble (frequencies) of reddit subreddits, and both Feminist and Mens Rights Activists subs was very similar. The most common word in the Feminist one was "Men", and the most common word for Mens Rights Activists was Women". The second most common word was also symmetric, Women in the first and Men in the other. It is not symmetric to assume that all female equality issues and all male equality issues must be the fault of men. People are human. Faults in human society is from humans, and humans are 50% women and 50% men.
- tsss 3y ago/r/menslib is a honey pot by radical feminist super mods who delete absolutely everything that is even remotely not "xyz, but women still have it worse". It's probably one of the most censored subreddits, which is quite an achievement. Instead, take a look at /r/leftwingmaleadvocates for some actual discussion.
- Slava_Propanei 3y ago[dead]