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This is complete rubbish. You've managed turn something that has absolutely nothing to do with gender into a gender issue, replete with ad hominem attacks, gros

This is complete rubbish. You've managed turn something that has absolutely nothing to do with gender into a gender issue, replete with ad hominem attacks, gross over generalizations, bad faith assumptions, and a vague anecdotal psychoanalysis. Anybody familiar with the circumstances of Bioware, in particular their perceived decline post-acquisition should be able to see through this. We have a woman who works on the writing staff for a game company in decline, saying that she does not enjoy playing games. Done, finished. Fans of said company would blame the orator regardless of gender, the smoke, mirrors, and shouts of sexism merely serve to enrage people further.

ChrisNorstrom 15y ago
Oh but... do you know what she did! She did this and that and so and so and you don't understand ! Those poor men had a very legitimate reason to send threatening calls and emails to her over a video game interview! And somehow like the others you're justifying her getting calls and emails and threats and having a whole community gang up on her because of a video game comment she made years ago. Amazing. You still don't get it. Not one bit of it. But I don't blame you, nor do I look down on you. Testosterone is one hell of a hormone.
- mattmanser 15y ago
  Neither do you. It's not testosterone. It's a bunch of fans expressing their dismay, much like Phantom Menace was savaged. And then a tiny few being completely disgusting. And that's who you're focusing on and then saying that's what all of reddit is like. Totally ignoring subreddits like 2XChromosome. It's disturbing that you're painting with such a broad brush and then calling it insightful.
  - ChrisNorstrom 15y ago
    You are right. I'm painting with a brush MUCH too broad. And a LOT of this is personal. Being a feminine little guy my whole life, I had a LOT of friends that were girls, had I been gay I think they wouldn't have pulled away from me when they got boyfriends and we still would have been friends. So I began to have more friends that were guys and this allowed me to get a good look at both the female and male worlds. And after seeing both sides of the gender spectrum and seeing how men treat and talk about women behind their backs and how women treat and talk about men. I have to say there is an INSANE amount of sexism on the part of the men. Not the blatant "go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich" kind. But a more subtle kind that has to do with blame, anger direction, and superiority. And every single male I know is just completely oblivious to it. They just don't see it. They can't. "It's a bunch of fans expressing their dismay". From my personal life experiences, dismay expressed towards a girl is much worse than a guy. The girl won't get up and kick your ass, the guy might. So when women mess up, it's much easier to go bat shit crazy on them. There's lots of examples of it happening the other way around but for me, my particular life experiences have shown heavily that females just get yelled the fuck out for things that men would get a slap on the wrist for. Look I'm not trying to be a "oh the poor women victims, look at me on my white horse coming in to save them" and all that bullshit. I just wish just once, every man in the world could be aware of his male privilege and inadvertent sexism. I see it so often, I see it in my friends, in my FATHER, in my neighbors. I'm so sick of this thick headed male I didn't do anything wrong / I don't know what you're talking about crap. Seeing it a few times and it annoys you, a few years and it bothers you, seeing it from a young age to an adult and it drives you absolutely insane. And that's what it's doing to me now.
    - disgruntledphd2 15y ago
      I'm not disputing your major points here, I think many of them are quite valid. However, you're not comparing apples to apples in your comments about spending lots of time with otherwise exclusively male or female groups. Regardless of how you perceive yourself, you are a man, and this almost certainly affected what women said while you were present (even at a less conscious level). Thus, you may be judging men too harshly. That being said, I have spent a lot of time in both male and female groups, and both groups have a commonality in that they pick on the other group, in subtle and not so subtle ways. Many people are aholes, some are not, but the a-holes often tend to be louder.
    - true_religion 15y ago
      You're essencially valuing your own experience as more real than everyone else's experience and saying that although we may all look at the same situation, you are correct simply because you know the correct way to look at the scenario. It's pretty circular to me. Now, speaking about your experience... isn't it possible that your female friends would soften the way they talk about men around you? Despite being as you say a 'feminine little guy', you're still a man. Any reasonable person would tone down their language to avoid offending their friend. Anecdotal evidence: I have a female friend who will swear that women are worse than men but I believe she's suffering from the same lack of perspective you are: no man would speak so freely around her and thus she thinks men are more gentlemanly than they really are.
  - ugh 15y ago
    Hihi. Have you ever been to 2XC? It's full of crazy Men's Rights Activists and there is always someone who will say "But what about the menz?" It's not hard to find sexism in 2XC.
scott_s 15y ago
I find your complaint strange. Games require art and writing, among other things. You want the writers and artists to be as good as possible. It may be true that the people who are "as good as possible" don't actually enjoy the games that you create. I see no problem with that, as long as the people who are directing the game enjoy it - they're the ones creating the experience.

ChrisNorstrom 15y ago

Oh but... do you know what she did! She did this and that and so and so and you don't understand ! Those poor men had a very legitimate reason to send threatening calls and emails to her over a video game interview! And somehow like the others you're justifying her getting calls and emails and threats and having a whole community gang up on her because of a video game comment she made years ago. Amazing. You still don't get it. Not one bit of it. But I don't blame you, nor do I look down on you. Testosterone is one hell of a hormone.

mattmanser 15y ago
Neither do you. It's not testosterone. It's a bunch of fans expressing their dismay, much like Phantom Menace was savaged. And then a tiny few being completely disgusting. And that's who you're focusing on and then saying that's what all of reddit is like. Totally ignoring subreddits like 2XChromosome. It's disturbing that you're painting with such a broad brush and then calling it insightful.
- ChrisNorstrom 15y ago
  You are right. I'm painting with a brush MUCH too broad. And a LOT of this is personal. Being a feminine little guy my whole life, I had a LOT of friends that were girls, had I been gay I think they wouldn't have pulled away from me when they got boyfriends and we still would have been friends. So I began to have more friends that were guys and this allowed me to get a good look at both the female and male worlds. And after seeing both sides of the gender spectrum and seeing how men treat and talk about women behind their backs and how women treat and talk about men. I have to say there is an INSANE amount of sexism on the part of the men. Not the blatant "go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich" kind. But a more subtle kind that has to do with blame, anger direction, and superiority. And every single male I know is just completely oblivious to it. They just don't see it. They can't. "It's a bunch of fans expressing their dismay". From my personal life experiences, dismay expressed towards a girl is much worse than a guy. The girl won't get up and kick your ass, the guy might. So when women mess up, it's much easier to go bat shit crazy on them. There's lots of examples of it happening the other way around but for me, my particular life experiences have shown heavily that females just get yelled the fuck out for things that men would get a slap on the wrist for. Look I'm not trying to be a "oh the poor women victims, look at me on my white horse coming in to save them" and all that bullshit. I just wish just once, every man in the world could be aware of his male privilege and inadvertent sexism. I see it so often, I see it in my friends, in my FATHER, in my neighbors. I'm so sick of this thick headed male I didn't do anything wrong / I don't know what you're talking about crap. Seeing it a few times and it annoys you, a few years and it bothers you, seeing it from a young age to an adult and it drives you absolutely insane. And that's what it's doing to me now.
  - disgruntledphd2 15y ago
    I'm not disputing your major points here, I think many of them are quite valid. However, you're not comparing apples to apples in your comments about spending lots of time with otherwise exclusively male or female groups. Regardless of how you perceive yourself, you are a man, and this almost certainly affected what women said while you were present (even at a less conscious level). Thus, you may be judging men too harshly. That being said, I have spent a lot of time in both male and female groups, and both groups have a commonality in that they pick on the other group, in subtle and not so subtle ways. Many people are aholes, some are not, but the a-holes often tend to be louder.
  - true_religion 15y ago
    You're essencially valuing your own experience as more real than everyone else's experience and saying that although we may all look at the same situation, you are correct simply because you know the correct way to look at the scenario. It's pretty circular to me. Now, speaking about your experience... isn't it possible that your female friends would soften the way they talk about men around you? Despite being as you say a 'feminine little guy', you're still a man. Any reasonable person would tone down their language to avoid offending their friend. Anecdotal evidence: I have a female friend who will swear that women are worse than men but I believe she's suffering from the same lack of perspective you are: no man would speak so freely around her and thus she thinks men are more gentlemanly than they really are.
- ugh 15y ago
  Hihi. Have you ever been to 2XC? It's full of crazy Men's Rights Activists and there is always someone who will say "But what about the menz?" It's not hard to find sexism in 2XC.

scott_s 15y ago

I find your complaint strange. Games require art and writing, among other things. You want the writers and artists to be as good as possible. It may be true that the people who are "as good as possible" don't actually enjoy the games that you create. I see no problem with that, as long as the people who are directing the game enjoy it - they're the ones creating the experience.