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We’re open to everyone! No not like that! A person going by Bloonface (https://mastodon.social/@Bloonface/110605013435138542# https://mastodon.social/@Bloonfa

by MBCook 3y ago

We’re open to everyone! No not like that! A person going by Bloonface (https://mastodon.social/@Bloonface/110605013435138542# https://mastodon.social/@Bloonface/110605013435138542#.) put it perfectly. People complain more people should dump centralization and move to Mastodon, but every time they try they get shouted at for doing it wrong. Posting too much. Using hashtags. Not using hashtags. Not adding alt descriptions. Not using content warnings. Using content warnings. Using them, but for the wrong thing. Joining the big servers. Joining the bad servers. Talking about Twitter. Not calling it ‘the bird site’. Not being pro-(whatever) enough. Demanding people do any of the above. A number of people I like went to Mastodon, I enjoy I can keep reading their stuff. And I get the problems with Bluesky. But boy do I wish I had an invite, it sounds so much less contentious and more fun.

jacooper 3y ago
They are trying to protect the fediverse from Facebook Embrace, extend, extinguish them.
- MBCook 3y ago
  Why? FB doesn’t need to. They’re what, tens of thousands of times bigger? And there is nothing stopping servers from defederating at the drop of a hat. We already know that, it happens constantly for some reason.
LexiMax 3y ago
> People complain more people should dump centralization and move to Mastodon, but every time they try they get shouted at for doing it wrong. It seems 100% reasonable to suspect the motives of a company with two massive walled-garden social networks under their belt. The fediverse doesn't need them, and there's no obvious upside of federation for them. Besides, on my list of issues with Facebook and Instagram, "not being accessible from the wider internet" isn't even on my top 10. If I wanted to read posts from those networks, I know where to find them.
- cmdli 3y ago
  > The fediverse doesn't need them I 100% disagree. If the goal of the fediverse is to generally decentralize social networks, then this sort of thing is exactly what the fediverse needs to do in order to reach more people. On the other hand, if the fediverse wants to be a niche community that only lets the "right" people in, then they should come out and say so, and stop recommending Mastodon as an alternative to FB/Twitter.
  - LexiMax 3y ago
    > On the other hand, if the fediverse wants to be a niche community that only lets the "right" people in, then they should come out and say so, and stop recommending Mastodon as an alternative to FB/Twitter. Why? The only reason I use Mastodon is because it was recommended to me. And you're right that Mastodon isn't an alternative to Facebook or Twitter. My timeline actually works correctly on the fediverse, I don't have obnoxious ads shoved in my face, and I can use a single app to easily use multiple accounts across multiple servers and straddle federation walls if I so choose. Come to think of it, will Meta even allow outside clients on Threads? Or will they allow it initially and then stop supporting it later? One of the two is an almost-certainty.
    - zer0zzz 3y ago
      Worse internet protocol ever
praisewhitey 3y ago
Mastodon's biggest problem is if you want to join a general purpose server with a level headed administrator you only have a couple of options. Most servers resemble joining an irc channel or phpbb forum where a mod will ban you for making fun of their favorite video game. The Fediverse has been successful at attracting techies with time and money, but instead of them using it to help a mid size general public instance they use it to make their own server where they can be the ones imposing the bullshit bans.
lapcat 3y ago
> A number of people I like went to Mastodon, I enjoy I can keep reading their stuff. And I get the problems with Bluesky. But boy do I wish I had an invite, it sounds so much less contentious and more fun. I've found Bluesky to be uninteresting, and my feed is also pretty dead now. People sign up and then abandon it. I don't bother checking much anymore or handing out the invite codes that I'm accumulating. Ironically, even the people who say that Mastodon is a dead end and Bluesky is more promising are posting more on Mastodon than on Blueksy. ;-)
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  It’s a negative feedback loop. Poster A posts, sees interaction is low, and stops posting. Viewer A sees P-A stops posting, checks less. P-B sees posts and interactions decline, focuses on higher interaction platforms, meaning V-A has even less reason to check. When new people join, they find no one using the platform and abandon it shortly after, leading to a wasteland.

by MBCook 3y ago

jacooper 3y ago

They are trying to protect the fediverse from Facebook Embrace, extend, extinguish them.

MBCook 3y ago
Why? FB doesn’t need to. They’re what, tens of thousands of times bigger? And there is nothing stopping servers from defederating at the drop of a hat. We already know that, it happens constantly for some reason.

LexiMax 3y ago

> People complain more people should dump centralization and move to Mastodon, but every time they try they get shouted at for doing it wrong. It seems 100% reasonable to suspect the motives of a company with two massive walled-garden social networks under their belt. The fediverse doesn't need them, and there's no obvious upside of federation for them. Besides, on my list of issues with Facebook and Instagram, "not being accessible from the wider internet" isn't even on my top 10. If I wanted to read posts from those networks, I know where to find them.

cmdli 3y ago
> The fediverse doesn't need them I 100% disagree. If the goal of the fediverse is to generally decentralize social networks, then this sort of thing is exactly what the fediverse needs to do in order to reach more people. On the other hand, if the fediverse wants to be a niche community that only lets the "right" people in, then they should come out and say so, and stop recommending Mastodon as an alternative to FB/Twitter.
- LexiMax 3y ago
  > On the other hand, if the fediverse wants to be a niche community that only lets the "right" people in, then they should come out and say so, and stop recommending Mastodon as an alternative to FB/Twitter. Why? The only reason I use Mastodon is because it was recommended to me. And you're right that Mastodon isn't an alternative to Facebook or Twitter. My timeline actually works correctly on the fediverse, I don't have obnoxious ads shoved in my face, and I can use a single app to easily use multiple accounts across multiple servers and straddle federation walls if I so choose. Come to think of it, will Meta even allow outside clients on Threads? Or will they allow it initially and then stop supporting it later? One of the two is an almost-certainty.
  - zer0zzz 3y ago
    Worse internet protocol ever

praisewhitey 3y ago

Mastodon's biggest problem is if you want to join a general purpose server with a level headed administrator you only have a couple of options. Most servers resemble joining an irc channel or phpbb forum where a mod will ban you for making fun of their favorite video game. The Fediverse has been successful at attracting techies with time and money, but instead of them using it to help a mid size general public instance they use it to make their own server where they can be the ones imposing the bullshit bans.

lapcat 3y ago

> A number of people I like went to Mastodon, I enjoy I can keep reading their stuff. And I get the problems with Bluesky. But boy do I wish I had an invite, it sounds so much less contentious and more fun. I've found Bluesky to be uninteresting, and my feed is also pretty dead now. People sign up and then abandon it. I don't bother checking much anymore or handing out the invite codes that I'm accumulating. Ironically, even the people who say that Mastodon is a dead end and Bluesky is more promising are posting more on Mastodon than on Blueksy. ;-)

tourmalinetaco 3y ago
It’s a negative feedback loop. Poster A posts, sees interaction is low, and stops posting. Viewer A sees P-A stops posting, checks less. P-B sees posts and interactions decline, focuses on higher interaction platforms, meaning V-A has even less reason to check. When new people join, they find no one using the platform and abandon it shortly after, leading to a wasteland.