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Dysregulation of hypothalamic gene expression by soybean oil in mice (2020)
- jameshart 3y ago* In mice
- Solvency 3y ago[flagged]
- margalabargala 3y agoThat's a bit of a naturalistic fallacy. Whether or not something has the ability to be used as a machine lubricant has no particular bearing on whether it would be healthy for a human to consume. You might as well talk about how people are 70% by weight composed of an industrial solvent and cleaning agent.
- pkoird 3y agoAhh, the infamous Dihydrogen Monoxide
- whatscooking 3y agoExcept almost everything brought about by capitalism where cheapness and profit were the end goals never ended well. Seed oils are not food and the fact that more than 30% of the calories of the average American come from these processed oils does not bode well for the health of our nation.
- rcxdude 3y agoThey blatently are food, they are eaten and provide some nutrition. There's a decent amount of evidence they are not good food, however. If you actually stick to the facts and avoid inflammatory rhetorical flourishes you might get more traction.
- thworp 3y agoBlaming a lack of food quality on capitalism is pretty rich. For a point of comparison, consider that even in socialist countries that didn't have famines, the availability and quality of food was orders of magnitude worse. The entire eastern block had basically no restrictions on pesticides, food poisoning was a regular occurence (due to broken refrigeration, lack of labs to test meat samples, fertilizing directly with fresh human and animal feces). That was if you were lucky enough to even get some of the items. Hell, in the GDR there were persistent rumors that they kept using byproducts from coal refining to make margarine (a practice started by the Nazis) and I know for a fact that they used animal bile to replace hops in beer. We don't even have to talk about pre-modern times where almost everyone had a diet severely lacking in variety and nutrients.
- vGPU 3y agoMakes sense. My body is a machine, after all. At least, that’s about the level of biology I got to in elementary school before I discovered how delicious crayons were.
- abracadaniel 3y agoThank goodness we’re adults, with a more refined palate, and can now enjoy the finest Dijon Crayons.
- whatscooking 3y agoYea don’t even bother convincing them.
- stubish 3y agoI'm now curious if the oil becomes problematic to mice because of the extraction process, and if some cooked or processed soy products may have similar problems.
- orangepurple 3y agoThey definitely aren't using supercritical co2 extraction which would be the cleanest process. Lots of soybean oil solvent extractions result in a really ugly looking mess which is clarified using more chemicals before it can be sold.
- Arn_Thor 3y agoGiven the lack of any documented adverse health effects from soy-derived foods in the many cultures where it’s extremely widely used in cooking, my layman’s guess is that it’s to do with the extraction and processing of the soy bean oil. That can of course also apply to highly processed soy products, but I don’t reckon the average tofu or soy sauce enjoyer should be worried.
- ScottBriteside 3y agoFrom the article: “Do not throw out your tofu, soymilk, edamame, or soy sauce,” said Frances Sladek, a UC Riverside toxicologist and professor of cell biology. “Many soy products only contain small amounts of the oil, and large amounts of healthful compounds such as essential fatty acids and proteins.”
- throwawaymobule 3y agofor anyone who didn't read the article: the oil in question is 'soybean oil'. As a European, I would have guessed it was rapeseed oil when I first saw the headline.
- chrisco255 3y agoMore commonly known as canola oil in the U.S.
- oniony 3y agoNo, canola refers to specific types of rapeseed oil that were bred to be lower in eurcic acid -- thought to be a health risk in the 1970s. I.e. canola is rapeseed oil but not all rapeseed oil is canola. However all rapeseed oil sold in both the US and EU are these low (less than 2%) eurcic acid varieties. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed_oil * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erucic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erucic_acid * https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=184.1555 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR... * https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/1870/corrigendum/2019-11-19/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/1870/corrigendum/2019...
- lucideer 3y agoYou're technically correct but to put it more succinctly, canola oil is "food grade rapeseed oil". So for any intents & purposes in the context of a conversation about consumers consuming food products, all rapeseed oil is canola oil.
- orangepurple 3y agoHighlight: Coconut oil DID NOT cause the changes outlined in the study. As an aside, BC Melnik has multiple studies published proving that pasteurized milk causes direct delivery of bovine DNA into human cells. And he has been proving this since 2009 in MANY published papers. STOP DRINKING MILK unless it is UHT or highly fermented (yogurt). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19232475/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19232475/
- mint2 3y agoIrish history shows that milk does not cause modern western dietary diseases. For a long time dairy was a highly prominent component of diet, far more than today. And in American milk consumption has plummeted since the 70’s, these disease have done the opposite. skepticism is required.
- sitkack 3y agoIs your argument that Irish people still exist, so cow milk is safe?
- mint2 3y agoNo, that would be a highly contrived straw man reading of what I said. Can we not do that? my argument is that while Irish people did suffer a lot of diseases over the millennia that dairy was a major component of their diet, those diseases were not the modern ones and definitely not in the same prevalence. Ergo I’m skeptical of a claim that dairy is causing many of the common modern western diseases such as that paper claims. If it were a cause, type 2 diabetes and all the others would have been rampant historically. Additionally, as I also noted, since America’s milk consumption has plummeted while the diseases have skyrocketed it’s a bit perplexing to conclude milk could be a significant factor. The trends simply do not add up. Finland has the highest milk consumptions and also one of the highest life expectancies. higher than the US. Seems a little odd if milk is supposedly causing disease. Hence I’m skeptical. The trends do not add up.
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- LatteLazy 3y agoChanges in gene expression != genetic changes.
- tetris11 3y agoThe central dogma has been known to have several two-way violations for a while now.
- soonnow 3y agoCan I just say that aside from the presented facts. I really liked the reporting. It clearly explained what the study showed and what the studies didn't show. I think science reporting should be more like that. It's ok to have an article that says well we found a link but we are not clear yet on what's the exact cause, but we know what's not the cause Aside from the clickbait-y headline of course.
- Workaccount2 3y agoIt's because the publication is well funded from other sources. It's not dependent on drawing lowest common denominator people in to view ads.
- jnmandal 3y agoFrom January of 2020
- Ekaros 3y agoDo we have good understanding of effects of palm oil? Which seems to be the new big and cheap choice?
- guerrilla 3y ago*Cheap only if ignoring the massive externalities.
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- memcg 3y agoMayonnaise (Hellmann's, Best Foods, Duke's) is often made with soybean oil.
- mjbeswick 3y agoIn Europe rapeseed oil is used such products.
- shipscode 3y agoStudy after study proves that Soy is terrible for humans. I’m lucky I’ve been avoiding it since the soy protein gives you 60% of the gainz of whey protein studies way back. Believing that someone is better off drinking and eating a concoction of seed oils vs. animal derived fats or milk has become a form of religious doctrine. I’m happy to see others finally coming around to the scam.
- damnesian 3y agoMany cultures have been happily eating unrefined soy beans, tofu and tempeh for millennia. Those forms of soy are not the problem. it's the processed food soybean oil. Saturated animal fats have their own specific problems. The science is clear on that. It's not just soy oil, it's not just animal fat, it's not just sugar, it's not just refined flours. It's all of them. Michael Pollan's advice is still best: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."
- shipscode 3y agoMeat avoidance & mental health studies would like to have a word with him
- francisofascii 3y agoAnyone want to speculate or know why olive oil is good while soybean oil is not?
- paulrpotts 3y agoA big factor may be the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7037798/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7037798/
- bippihippi1 3y agospeculation olive oil is made from the fruit like avocado and coconut. they are easier to extract with fewer chemicals
- Arn_Thor 3y agoThe extraction process maybe
- Madmallard 3y agoITT: Laymen trying to make nutritional science claims at each other. Another post's comment section would be preferable for those who tread here.
- netmonk 3y ago[dead]