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> Until there's a way where one user can decide what instances to see, it will be a crap experience unless you agree 100% with the whims of an admin, who made y

> Until there's a way where one user can decide what instances to see, it will be a crap experience unless you agree 100% with the whims of an admin, who made you jump through hoops only to defederate at the slightest disagreement. You can always run your own instance for yourself. Also in practice I’ve not found it hard to find instances who’s block lists I agree with.

isaacremuant 3y ago
Thanks for the suggestion but it sounds utterly ridiculous to have to self host an instance just to achieve that usecase.
- realitythreek 3y ago
  You don't have to self host. That was a suggestion if you couldn't find a single other instance out of the thousands that exist that meet your requirements.
  - isaacremuant 3y ago
    Signal vs noise ratio is too high. My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of invidual choice. Utility, since it's not like the internet where traffic is good, seems to be around creating extremely narrow minded pools with little crossover, since any exposure to widened thought can be immediately shut down (having already fragmented the communities unless they self host their instance, again, creating burden on the user for more Accounts)
    - realitythreek 3y ago
      I get the sense that you’ve not tried it and you’re speaking extremely generally. That’s fine, you don’t have to. I’ll stop here though until you have an informed perspective.
      - isaacremuant 3y ago
        Except that I have, extensively, but hey, calling me ignorant is really a great point instead of refuting anything I say. I think you forgot this is HN where the standards are a bit higher and you get exposed to arguments that you may dislike. Account of 17 days too, so ironic.
        realitythreek 3y ago
        Your description of the fediverse isn’t accurate. You’ve had a few people tell you that and your attack on my supposed inexperience with HN isn’t relevant (and is also ironic). Apologies if you took my assumption as an insult.
        isaacremuant 3y ago
        In hackernews you're supposed to explain WHY. Some have been constructive points and I've answered. None really countered the problem and some accepted it's part of the paradigm. You went with an ad hominem and double down on having no arguments.
        realitythreek 3y ago
        > Signal vs noise ratio is too high. This isn’t saying anything other than your not a fan. Which as I said is fine. > My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of invidual choice. Utility, since it's not like the internet where traffic is good, seems to be around creating extremely narrow minded pools with little crossover, since any exposure to widened thought can be immediately shut down. This was unspecific/vague and not an accurate description of the fediverse. It’s a very diverse (unfortunately so in some cases) group of communities that interact with each other. Or don’t if they choose. The value in allowing each instance to handle their own block list is that it scales and allows you to choose a server that shares your perspective. And basically if you disagree that this is the case, you’re free to change that and that’s the point. You have all of the choice.

isaacremuant 3y ago

Thanks for the suggestion but it sounds utterly ridiculous to have to self host an instance just to achieve that usecase.

realitythreek 3y ago
You don't have to self host. That was a suggestion if you couldn't find a single other instance out of the thousands that exist that meet your requirements.
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  Signal vs noise ratio is too high. My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of invidual choice. Utility, since it's not like the internet where traffic is good, seems to be around creating extremely narrow minded pools with little crossover, since any exposure to widened thought can be immediately shut down (having already fragmented the communities unless they self host their instance, again, creating burden on the user for more Accounts)
  - realitythreek 3y ago
    I get the sense that you’ve not tried it and you’re speaking extremely generally. That’s fine, you don’t have to. I’ll stop here though until you have an informed perspective.
    - isaacremuant 3y ago
      Except that I have, extensively, but hey, calling me ignorant is really a great point instead of refuting anything I say. I think you forgot this is HN where the standards are a bit higher and you get exposed to arguments that you may dislike. Account of 17 days too, so ironic.
      - realitythreek 3y ago
        Your description of the fediverse isn’t accurate. You’ve had a few people tell you that and your attack on my supposed inexperience with HN isn’t relevant (and is also ironic). Apologies if you took my assumption as an insult.
        isaacremuant 3y ago
        In hackernews you're supposed to explain WHY. Some have been constructive points and I've answered. None really countered the problem and some accepted it's part of the paradigm. You went with an ad hominem and double down on having no arguments.
        realitythreek 3y ago
        > Signal vs noise ratio is too high. This isn’t saying anything other than your not a fan. Which as I said is fine. > My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of invidual choice. Utility, since it's not like the internet where traffic is good, seems to be around creating extremely narrow minded pools with little crossover, since any exposure to widened thought can be immediately shut down. This was unspecific/vague and not an accurate description of the fediverse. It’s a very diverse (unfortunately so in some cases) group of communities that interact with each other. Or don’t if they choose. The value in allowing each instance to handle their own block list is that it scales and allows you to choose a server that shares your perspective. And basically if you disagree that this is the case, you’re free to change that and that’s the point. You have all of the choice.