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A key unlock for me was doing exercise where at some point I was trying so hard and breathing so aggressively that I couldn't really think anymore, I could only

A key unlock for me was doing exercise where at some point I was trying so hard and breathing so aggressively that I couldn't really think anymore, I could only focus on the task at hand. For me, that's been biking up steep hills. I like biking because I get to see a bunch of cool stuff and if I go up hills I get a dope view. I joke that doing these rides feels like I'm re-boring my arteries because my heart pumps so hard. I feel great afterward. Recommend!

GoRudy 3y ago
Same same. Also when not biking bootcamp classes get me to the same place of only thinking about the workout / excercises at hand. 50 min - 90 min feels like the sweet spot in terms of time.
throwaway22032 3y ago
Yep. Another example - it's pretty damn hard to think about doing the laundry when you have 100+ kg on your back.
- ehnto 3y ago
  I can barely think for a good few minutes even after heavy squats/deads. I have found my biggest mistakes were all when I had gotten comfortable with a weight and ended up losing mental focus. Thanfully no injuries. It seems I have to be nearing my edge to be forced into focus. I am better at opting in to focus now thanks to lifting I feel. Similar to downhill riding, all my crashes have been on easy stuff as I lost focus.
hinkley 3y ago
When I was trying to integrate a definition of “flow” that covered my many experiences, it wasn’t biking up hills per se, it was those moments where bad shit almost happened and I saw a way through and just did it. Riding through gravel, loose dogs, when the “fast guy” tried to drop the pack and found me on his wheel. I think I agree with you that these experiences are pivotal, because they are moments when you just are without thinking. That constant monologue some of us carrying our heads is gone, and the universe didn’t end. Taking that information and finding the spot halfway between the two is the real lesson, IME.
- c0nsumer 3y ago
  This is what mountain biking does for me. It's not hard, and it's pretty safe, but maintaining decent speed while navigating trails... it's a flow state. Heck, a week ago I did a 100 mile MTB race, with the goal of finishing and being happy. While bits and pieces are there, some chatting with folks and things I saw along the trail, but I honestly do not remember most of the ~9 hours I was riding. It was just a thing I was doing, disconnected from most of the rest of the world, and content doing it. (Note, I'm talking about XC/cross-country mountain biking, and to some extent trail biking. NOT the big downhill/jump/whatever stuff that comes up most often in media when sees mountain biking. It's still quite exciting, but far safer because it's really just riding bikes on hiking-ish trails.)
  - ehnto 3y ago
    MTB has pretty much all the good stuff in one. You're outside, in nature, breathing fresh air, it's cardio and mindfulness on the climbs and flow and focus on the descent, add adrenaline to taste. The community is pretty rad too, it has the atmosphere of surfing and hiking combined.
    - aryamaan 3y ago
      Please tell me more. You might influence someone to try a new hobby
      - chrismartin 3y ago
        The ancestor comments are spot on. I just wish it didn't require driving. The good stuff is 10+ miles from where I live. Not that far, but it's still burning gas just to ride a bike. I also suggest XC / blue / "intermediate" / rolling trails. They're less exposed and dangerous than steep descents, and better cardio. The MTB industry and press is increasingly downhill-oriented, but you can ignore that noise. Before you buy a bike, try renting a few, and riding them on your own local trails. It'll give you a better idea of what sort of bike and riding you want. If you don't have much singletrack nearby but you have dirt roads, consider a gravel or "all-terrain" road bike instead (like a Kona Dew, Kona Rove, or Hudski Doggler). It's not mountain biking, but still a lot of fun, and you cover more ground. (They're also simpler and cheaper than modern mountain bikes.) Bike fit is important, take your time to get it right. Don't buy the wrong frame size! (I've made that mistake at least twice.) Find a shop (or experienced friend) to help you dial in the fit, and expect to swap some parts. This (and physical conditioning) makes the difference between riding kind of hurting, and being comfy on the bike for 2+ hours. Obviously you can get hurt. MTB injuries tend to be less severe than road cycling, because you aren't riding in car traffic. But several years ago I tore out my triceps, going over the front of the bike in a rock garden and landing on my elbow. That was a surgery and slow recovery. I'm fine now, and even with that injury, cycling has been a benefit to my health and enjoyment of life. It can be a gear-intensive hobby. I have a mostly-bikes room. It can also be an expensive hobby (though doesn't need to be). Still much cheaper than motorcycles, sailing, and so forth. Sorry, one last thing. Be courteous to hikers. Yield to them by default, call out if approaching them from behind. Making hikers feel safe and respected is more important than carrying your speed. When riders forget this, angry hikers show up to meetings and agitate for closing trails to bikes.
lm28469 3y ago
You might be interested in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath:_The_New_Science_of_a_Lost_Art https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath:_The_New_Science_of_a...
paulpauper 3y ago
not really a fan of overly strenuous cardio. I am not sure how it makes you better. i tried it and it never did much for me. it doesn't even help for weight loss due to metabolic adaptation and increased appetite.
- NovaDudely 3y ago
  It works different for different people. For some simply slowing down can bring amazing results, I am somewhere in both camps. Slowing down most of the time plus also doing cardio has been amazing. It probably helps that increased appetite never fazed me. I am hungry now, cool, I'm still not eating until dinner regardless of how I feel.
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- haswell 3y ago
  Strenuous cardio agitates me. It’ll put me in a weird uneasy mood for a few hours at least. Apparently this is the effect it can have on some people. I’ve found Yoga and cycling to be the right fit, and they allow me to challenge myself without feeling too hyped up later.
  - nradov 3y ago
    Learn to be comfortable with being uneasy and agitated.
    - haswell 3y ago
      Heh, that’s closer to my default state due to CPTSD and I’m quite comfortable/familiar with it. But choosing to exacerbate that state when there are other options to achieve my fitness goals is counterproductive, and I’ve been advised to avoid it. There’s an important difference between getting comfortable with hard things, and subjecting yourself to unnecessary/avoidable hyper-arousal states which can become their own form of health problem in the long run. People injure themselves this way, and should pay attention to their bodies when exercising.
fasterik 3y ago
I have to agree with the other comment about intense cardio. I got into long-distance running last year and it was a big mental shift for me to go from fast to slow running. Before that, I had always approached exercise as if harder is better. I was surprised to learn that even elite runners are doing 80% of their training at a pace that's really slow relative to their race pace. Of course training plans will vary depending on the target distance, but I think this still applies if you are training for shorter distances. Training at max effort is a recipe for getting injured, and it prevents you from putting in the volume necessary to develop good cardio.
- sn9 3y ago
  That still implies 20% of their training is moderate-high intensity. You end up doing both.

GoRudy 3y ago

Same same. Also when not biking bootcamp classes get me to the same place of only thinking about the workout / excercises at hand. 50 min - 90 min feels like the sweet spot in terms of time.

throwaway22032 3y ago

Yep. Another example - it's pretty damn hard to think about doing the laundry when you have 100+ kg on your back.

ehnto 3y ago
I can barely think for a good few minutes even after heavy squats/deads. I have found my biggest mistakes were all when I had gotten comfortable with a weight and ended up losing mental focus. Thanfully no injuries. It seems I have to be nearing my edge to be forced into focus. I am better at opting in to focus now thanks to lifting I feel. Similar to downhill riding, all my crashes have been on easy stuff as I lost focus.

hinkley 3y ago

When I was trying to integrate a definition of “flow” that covered my many experiences, it wasn’t biking up hills per se, it was those moments where bad shit almost happened and I saw a way through and just did it. Riding through gravel, loose dogs, when the “fast guy” tried to drop the pack and found me on his wheel. I think I agree with you that these experiences are pivotal, because they are moments when you just are without thinking. That constant monologue some of us carrying our heads is gone, and the universe didn’t end. Taking that information and finding the spot halfway between the two is the real lesson, IME.

c0nsumer 3y ago
This is what mountain biking does for me. It's not hard, and it's pretty safe, but maintaining decent speed while navigating trails... it's a flow state. Heck, a week ago I did a 100 mile MTB race, with the goal of finishing and being happy. While bits and pieces are there, some chatting with folks and things I saw along the trail, but I honestly do not remember most of the ~9 hours I was riding. It was just a thing I was doing, disconnected from most of the rest of the world, and content doing it. (Note, I'm talking about XC/cross-country mountain biking, and to some extent trail biking. NOT the big downhill/jump/whatever stuff that comes up most often in media when sees mountain biking. It's still quite exciting, but far safer because it's really just riding bikes on hiking-ish trails.)
- ehnto 3y ago
  MTB has pretty much all the good stuff in one. You're outside, in nature, breathing fresh air, it's cardio and mindfulness on the climbs and flow and focus on the descent, add adrenaline to taste. The community is pretty rad too, it has the atmosphere of surfing and hiking combined.
  - aryamaan 3y ago
    Please tell me more. You might influence someone to try a new hobby
    - chrismartin 3y ago
      The ancestor comments are spot on. I just wish it didn't require driving. The good stuff is 10+ miles from where I live. Not that far, but it's still burning gas just to ride a bike. I also suggest XC / blue / "intermediate" / rolling trails. They're less exposed and dangerous than steep descents, and better cardio. The MTB industry and press is increasingly downhill-oriented, but you can ignore that noise. Before you buy a bike, try renting a few, and riding them on your own local trails. It'll give you a better idea of what sort of bike and riding you want. If you don't have much singletrack nearby but you have dirt roads, consider a gravel or "all-terrain" road bike instead (like a Kona Dew, Kona Rove, or Hudski Doggler). It's not mountain biking, but still a lot of fun, and you cover more ground. (They're also simpler and cheaper than modern mountain bikes.) Bike fit is important, take your time to get it right. Don't buy the wrong frame size! (I've made that mistake at least twice.) Find a shop (or experienced friend) to help you dial in the fit, and expect to swap some parts. This (and physical conditioning) makes the difference between riding kind of hurting, and being comfy on the bike for 2+ hours. Obviously you can get hurt. MTB injuries tend to be less severe than road cycling, because you aren't riding in car traffic. But several years ago I tore out my triceps, going over the front of the bike in a rock garden and landing on my elbow. That was a surgery and slow recovery. I'm fine now, and even with that injury, cycling has been a benefit to my health and enjoyment of life. It can be a gear-intensive hobby. I have a mostly-bikes room. It can also be an expensive hobby (though doesn't need to be). Still much cheaper than motorcycles, sailing, and so forth. Sorry, one last thing. Be courteous to hikers. Yield to them by default, call out if approaching them from behind. Making hikers feel safe and respected is more important than carrying your speed. When riders forget this, angry hikers show up to meetings and agitate for closing trails to bikes.

lm28469 3y ago

You might be interested in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath:_The_New_Science_of_a_Lost_Art https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath:_The_New_Science_of_a...

paulpauper 3y ago

not really a fan of overly strenuous cardio. I am not sure how it makes you better. i tried it and it never did much for me. it doesn't even help for weight loss due to metabolic adaptation and increased appetite.

NovaDudely 3y ago
It works different for different people. For some simply slowing down can bring amazing results, I am somewhere in both camps. Slowing down most of the time plus also doing cardio has been amazing. It probably helps that increased appetite never fazed me. I am hungry now, cool, I'm still not eating until dinner regardless of how I feel.
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haswell 3y ago
Strenuous cardio agitates me. It’ll put me in a weird uneasy mood for a few hours at least. Apparently this is the effect it can have on some people. I’ve found Yoga and cycling to be the right fit, and they allow me to challenge myself without feeling too hyped up later.
- nradov 3y ago
  Learn to be comfortable with being uneasy and agitated.
  - haswell 3y ago
    Heh, that’s closer to my default state due to CPTSD and I’m quite comfortable/familiar with it. But choosing to exacerbate that state when there are other options to achieve my fitness goals is counterproductive, and I’ve been advised to avoid it. There’s an important difference between getting comfortable with hard things, and subjecting yourself to unnecessary/avoidable hyper-arousal states which can become their own form of health problem in the long run. People injure themselves this way, and should pay attention to their bodies when exercising.

fasterik 3y ago

I have to agree with the other comment about intense cardio. I got into long-distance running last year and it was a big mental shift for me to go from fast to slow running. Before that, I had always approached exercise as if harder is better. I was surprised to learn that even elite runners are doing 80% of their training at a pace that's really slow relative to their race pace. Of course training plans will vary depending on the target distance, but I think this still applies if you are training for shorter distances. Training at max effort is a recipe for getting injured, and it prevents you from putting in the volume necessary to develop good cardio.

sn9 3y ago
That still implies 20% of their training is moderate-high intensity. You end up doing both.