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Yeah, I took ipfs.slang.cx down after Hetzner threatened to kick me off their service. I was able to stay on top of the takedowns by writing a script to create

Yeah, I took ipfs.slang.cx down after Hetzner threatened to kick me off their service. I was able to stay on top of the takedowns by writing a script to create & deploy nginx block rules for each URL in the DMCA emails. Obviously I had no time for manual review of the URLs. But I guess that didn't matter and Hetzner got annoyed with all the emails and decided my business wasn't worth the trouble.

qingcharles 3y ago
How did Hetzner become aware of the notices? Were they CC'd to them? I ask because I'm building a web site currently hosted on Hetzner that will provide access to files that have fallen into the public domain, but also files that for all intents and purposes appear to copyright orphans. I will take down anything where an entity asserts a valid copyright against anything where a mistake has been made, but I don't want Hetzner just arbitrarily shooting down my site.
- tinco 3y ago
  Don't directly expose your servers to the web, proxy them through some other provider so that whenever that provider falls under pressure you already have the infrastructure to move to different ip addresses and you don't have to deal with the hassle of migrating your data to other servers.
- slang800 3y ago
  First the ciu-online.net people sent DMCA notices to myself and Cloudflare, since I used Cloudflare as a caching proxy. Eventually Cloudflare gave them the IP address of my server and the ciu-online.net people were able to determine that IP address was owned by Hetzner. Now they send DMCA notices to myself, Cloudflare, and Hetzner. I think the goal is to annoy as many people as possible. Even after I shut off my IPFS gateway they continued sending notices. Anyway, if you're hosting anything that might generate a DMCA notice, don't use Hetzner. They will kick you off even if you're complying with the DMCA process. Also, they make you submit a statement on abuse.hetzner.com for every single DMCA notice that gets sent to them. If you don't submit the statement in 24 hours they threaten to block your IP address. It is extremely tedious and annoying.
  - nanidin 3y ago
    > Even after I shut off my IPFS gateway they continued sending notices. It seems like those notices were made in bad faith. It would be nice if they faced some punishment.
    - 6510 3y ago
      Would it be unethical to send additional nonsensical take down requests to Hetzner? I mean, if you are going to be like a child and pretend every email is both true and in good faith the thing you really need is more outlandish nonsense so that one might mature? (make it less fun to host and more like hard work) Then again, Germany is just about the worse place to host "infringing" content. Perhaps one should send regular take down requests to ones own host complaining about ones own website and point at example.com/<php echo $website[0]; ?> as the proof. Then change hosts if they chose to act weird on it. I read "good" things about Hosted Network Pty. Ltd who in 2018 had a complaint response time near 20 days. "Worse" in the industry.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    Thank you for the advice. I will shop around. The trouble is that Hetzner are almost an order of magnitude cheaper than the next best. You get what you pay for. Any recommendations?
    - _a9 3y ago
      I would take a look around for eastern european hosters that dont really care for western bs and pick up a vps from there to use as a reverse proxy. You can continue enjoying hetzner and still be insulated by putting it behind a different server that will get (and toss) any abusive takedown requests. The lowendtalk forums are a good place to find any number of hosters that will fill your need.
  - grayhatter 3y ago
    >Eventually Cloudflare gave them the IP address of my server and the ciu-online.net people were able to determine that IP address was owned by Hetzner. Wait... isn't the point of paying cloudflare to prevent DoS attacks?

qingcharles 3y ago

How did Hetzner become aware of the notices? Were they CC'd to them? I ask because I'm building a web site currently hosted on Hetzner that will provide access to files that have fallen into the public domain, but also files that for all intents and purposes appear to copyright orphans. I will take down anything where an entity asserts a valid copyright against anything where a mistake has been made, but I don't want Hetzner just arbitrarily shooting down my site.

tinco 3y ago
Don't directly expose your servers to the web, proxy them through some other provider so that whenever that provider falls under pressure you already have the infrastructure to move to different ip addresses and you don't have to deal with the hassle of migrating your data to other servers.
slang800 3y ago
First the ciu-online.net people sent DMCA notices to myself and Cloudflare, since I used Cloudflare as a caching proxy. Eventually Cloudflare gave them the IP address of my server and the ciu-online.net people were able to determine that IP address was owned by Hetzner. Now they send DMCA notices to myself, Cloudflare, and Hetzner. I think the goal is to annoy as many people as possible. Even after I shut off my IPFS gateway they continued sending notices. Anyway, if you're hosting anything that might generate a DMCA notice, don't use Hetzner. They will kick you off even if you're complying with the DMCA process. Also, they make you submit a statement on abuse.hetzner.com for every single DMCA notice that gets sent to them. If you don't submit the statement in 24 hours they threaten to block your IP address. It is extremely tedious and annoying.
- nanidin 3y ago
  > Even after I shut off my IPFS gateway they continued sending notices. It seems like those notices were made in bad faith. It would be nice if they faced some punishment.
  - 6510 3y ago
    Would it be unethical to send additional nonsensical take down requests to Hetzner? I mean, if you are going to be like a child and pretend every email is both true and in good faith the thing you really need is more outlandish nonsense so that one might mature? (make it less fun to host and more like hard work) Then again, Germany is just about the worse place to host "infringing" content. Perhaps one should send regular take down requests to ones own host complaining about ones own website and point at example.com/<php echo $website[0]; ?> as the proof. Then change hosts if they chose to act weird on it. I read "good" things about Hosted Network Pty. Ltd who in 2018 had a complaint response time near 20 days. "Worse" in the industry.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Thank you for the advice. I will shop around. The trouble is that Hetzner are almost an order of magnitude cheaper than the next best. You get what you pay for. Any recommendations?
  - _a9 3y ago
    I would take a look around for eastern european hosters that dont really care for western bs and pick up a vps from there to use as a reverse proxy. You can continue enjoying hetzner and still be insulated by putting it behind a different server that will get (and toss) any abusive takedown requests. The lowendtalk forums are a good place to find any number of hosters that will fill your need.
- grayhatter 3y ago
  >Eventually Cloudflare gave them the IP address of my server and the ciu-online.net people were able to determine that IP address was owned by Hetzner. Wait... isn't the point of paying cloudflare to prevent DoS attacks?