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How's the progress on an IPFS browser client that doesn't require a gateway?

by wmf 3y ago

brunoqc 3y ago
Or progress on useful stuff like an encrypted Dropbox clone or something. Everytime I see ipfs stuff it's about silly crypto things.
- inhumantsar 3y ago
  IPFS isn't the right use case for a dropbox clone. It behaves like a CDN with no persistence guarantees. Arweave is better suited to archival storage. There are options for participants to ban particular types of content which may be illegal to host in their jurisdiction. This was designed to prevent the spread of CP, terrorism related info, etc. but that means it is also susceptible to DCMA issues too. https://www.arweave.org/ https://www.arweave.org/
  - brunoqc 3y ago
    > IPFS isn't the right use case for a dropbox clone. It behaves like a CDN with no persistence guarantees. Peergos kinda do it but maybe it's only for the transport and it uses S3 or something like that. > Arweave is better suited to archival storage Thanks, I'll take a look. I wish there was more exciting ipfs news beside nfts. EDIT: Arweave seems to be part of the crypto/web3 thing I'm not a fan of.
    - imtringued 3y ago
      Arweave promises a perpetual motion machine. Prepaying for storage is good but there is no way it is permanent.
- colinsane 3y ago
  way back (well before Ethereum and NFTs), i hosted a blog on IPFS. DNS level stuff: - TXT record with an IPFS content identifier - A record pointing to an IPFS gateway that ran on my laptop (and was restricted to only serving my own content) - fallback A records that pointed to the public IPFS gateways i could publish new content from my laptop, and as long as i had one other reader who browsed it via native IPFS (i did), then i could pretty safely not worry about my own uptime. that was pretty useful to me at the time who had no clue how to be a sysadmin and keep good uptime and whatnot.
  - brunoqc 3y ago
    I like this about ipfs. I don't understand why ipfs didn't lit the world on fire yet and they only seems to care about web3/crypto/nft these days.
    - acdha 3y ago
      IPFS doesn’t solve the major problems most people have: you still need to pay for guaranteed hosting and most content in the world is private, not something you want to share widely. Toss in the designed-in performance issues and it’s less surprising that it’s remained a niche.
- ianopolous 3y ago
  Peergos is the most advanced encrypted dropbox clone on ipfs. Disclaimer, founder here. We even extend the block retrieval protocol so encrypted blocks are not public - like most data in ipfs - you need auth to retrieve them: https://peergos.org/posts/bats https://peergos.org/posts/bats In terms of block stores we support local disk, or S3 compatible. You can log in through any peergos instance (including localhost) and your writes are persisted directly to your instance. The whole thing is also independent of DNS and the TLS CAs (except of course if you use a public web interface)
- deleted 3y ago
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gary_0 3y ago
If someone hosts a JavaScript app on their webserver that accesses IPFS using WebRTC or something, won't they still get DMCA-bombed? It's not like these lawyers care where the files are actually hosted, and there are effectively no consequences for indiscriminate DMCA-ing. Even if you make an IPFS browser extension, you could still get complaints and Google might still take it down, no? Are there any IPFS mobile apps that don't require sideloading? You have a chance of getting away with anything else on the Web, but anger the Copyright Gods and there's nowhere you can hide.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Ipfs software is like BitTorrent. There’s no legal pathway to taking down the software. Only the gateways which aren’t necessary for IPFS. This is basically copyright holders sending DMCA to trackers. Trackers haven’t been necessary for using torrents but it makes them more accessible.
  - gary_0 3y ago
    My point was that easily accessible Web sites (or apps) that enable downloading will get mass DMCA'd regardless of the technicalities. You are correct that P2P networks themselves are generally more resistant to copyright attacks.
jeroenhd 3y ago
You can download the IPFS desktop app and browse IPFS freely without the need of a centralized gateway. Brave can use the desktop app for its native IPFS support. If you intend to use it to share anything, you need some extra setup, though. I don't think any browsers have IPFS built in. For IPFS to be at its most useful (as in, your computer exchanging data with the network and actually participating in it), you need things like port forwards or IPv6 pinhole support, and I don't think that's something many people will do. Edit: Brave supports IPFS natively these days. Go to brave://settings/web3 and set "Method to resolve IPFS resources" to "Brave local IPFS node".
- wuiheerfoj 3y ago
  Brave ships with an IPFS node now
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    You're right! I didn't notice because it's not the default and it auto redirected me, but that's a nice improvement!
dave78 3y ago
Depending on your definition, I think Brave does this already doesn't it?

How's the progress on an IPFS browser client that doesn't require a gateway?

by wmf 3y ago

How's the progress on an IPFS browser client that doesn't require a gateway?

Or progress on useful stuff like an encrypted Dropbox clone or something. Everytime I see ipfs stuff it's about silly crypto things.

inhumantsar 3y ago
IPFS isn't the right use case for a dropbox clone. It behaves like a CDN with no persistence guarantees. Arweave is better suited to archival storage. There are options for participants to ban particular types of content which may be illegal to host in their jurisdiction. This was designed to prevent the spread of CP, terrorism related info, etc. but that means it is also susceptible to DCMA issues too. https://www.arweave.org/ https://www.arweave.org/
- brunoqc 3y ago
  > IPFS isn't the right use case for a dropbox clone. It behaves like a CDN with no persistence guarantees. Peergos kinda do it but maybe it's only for the transport and it uses S3 or something like that. > Arweave is better suited to archival storage Thanks, I'll take a look. I wish there was more exciting ipfs news beside nfts. EDIT: Arweave seems to be part of the crypto/web3 thing I'm not a fan of.
  - imtringued 3y ago
    Arweave promises a perpetual motion machine. Prepaying for storage is good but there is no way it is permanent.
colinsane 3y ago
way back (well before Ethereum and NFTs), i hosted a blog on IPFS. DNS level stuff: - TXT record with an IPFS content identifier - A record pointing to an IPFS gateway that ran on my laptop (and was restricted to only serving my own content) - fallback A records that pointed to the public IPFS gateways i could publish new content from my laptop, and as long as i had one other reader who browsed it via native IPFS (i did), then i could pretty safely not worry about my own uptime. that was pretty useful to me at the time who had no clue how to be a sysadmin and keep good uptime and whatnot.
- brunoqc 3y ago
  I like this about ipfs. I don't understand why ipfs didn't lit the world on fire yet and they only seems to care about web3/crypto/nft these days.
  - acdha 3y ago
    IPFS doesn’t solve the major problems most people have: you still need to pay for guaranteed hosting and most content in the world is private, not something you want to share widely. Toss in the designed-in performance issues and it’s less surprising that it’s remained a niche.
ianopolous 3y ago
Peergos is the most advanced encrypted dropbox clone on ipfs. Disclaimer, founder here. We even extend the block retrieval protocol so encrypted blocks are not public - like most data in ipfs - you need auth to retrieve them: https://peergos.org/posts/bats https://peergos.org/posts/bats In terms of block stores we support local disk, or S3 compatible. You can log in through any peergos instance (including localhost) and your writes are persisted directly to your instance. The whole thing is also independent of DNS and the TLS CAs (except of course if you use a public web interface)
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gary_0 3y ago

If someone hosts a JavaScript app on their webserver that accesses IPFS using WebRTC or something, won't they still get DMCA-bombed? It's not like these lawyers care where the files are actually hosted, and there are effectively no consequences for indiscriminate DMCA-ing. Even if you make an IPFS browser extension, you could still get complaints and Google might still take it down, no? Are there any IPFS mobile apps that don't require sideloading? You have a chance of getting away with anything else on the Web, but anger the Copyright Gods and there's nowhere you can hide.

aaomidi 3y ago
Ipfs software is like BitTorrent. There’s no legal pathway to taking down the software. Only the gateways which aren’t necessary for IPFS. This is basically copyright holders sending DMCA to trackers. Trackers haven’t been necessary for using torrents but it makes them more accessible.
- gary_0 3y ago
  My point was that easily accessible Web sites (or apps) that enable downloading will get mass DMCA'd regardless of the technicalities. You are correct that P2P networks themselves are generally more resistant to copyright attacks.

jeroenhd 3y ago

You can download the IPFS desktop app and browse IPFS freely without the need of a centralized gateway. Brave can use the desktop app for its native IPFS support. If you intend to use it to share anything, you need some extra setup, though. I don't think any browsers have IPFS built in. For IPFS to be at its most useful (as in, your computer exchanging data with the network and actually participating in it), you need things like port forwards or IPv6 pinhole support, and I don't think that's something many people will do. Edit: Brave supports IPFS natively these days. Go to brave://settings/web3 and set "Method to resolve IPFS resources" to "Brave local IPFS node".

wuiheerfoj 3y ago
Brave ships with an IPFS node now
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  You're right! I didn't notice because it's not the default and it auto redirected me, but that's a nice improvement!

dave78 3y ago

Depending on your definition, I think Brave does this already doesn't it?