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I’d hate to lose waterproof feature on iPhone. For it’ll be dealbreaker.

by nuker 3y ago

vletal 3y ago
Submarines are not glued tight, yet they are waterproof. Much bigger deal for Apple is design. Exposed screws sealing the back cover would give Jony Ive OCD ticks, I'm sure
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Submarines are also waaaaaay more expensive. Largely due to all the engineering and quality control that goes into what you’re talking about.
- mastax 3y ago
  Thankfully, Jony Ive is gone. Though their design has only gotten marginally more practical since.
- algas 3y ago
  Every part of your first sentence is inaccurate. Submarines are glued tight; all the body panels are welded together. They do this because making waterproof riveted joints is hard [0]. Riveted joints would flex and open up, requiring constant maintenance and caulking, and early riveted subs would leak trails of fuel behind them (and significantly into the sub itself!) Second, submarines aren't even waterproof. There's lots of things that are hard to seal, like the spinning propeller shaft. Submarines have a natural advantage over your phone in this regard: all the water that leaks in can be pumped out. Under the new regulations, phones can't be glued or welded shut, and there's not much room for a bilge pump in the average modern smartphone. [0]: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1518898 https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1518898
  - stjohnswarts 3y ago
    None of that really matters since we have the technology to seal phones now, Apple just chooses not to because it makes engineering, manufacturing, and designed in obsolescence a bit easier for them.
Tade0 3y ago
Galaxy S5 was IP67 certified despite having a removable battery. iPhone users had to wait two additional years to get the same feature. It's a solved problem - it's just that Apple dragged its feet on it.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And if you had the rubber cover secured tightly covering the ports…
vladvasiliu 3y ago
FWIW, my old iPhone 7 started to have a bulging battery. It started pushing on the screen, which started separating from the case. Since I could see the innards, that thing was probably no longer waterproof. I'd have to take it in for service, and I'm not certain that they guarantee its water tightness after a repair. Contrast this to my Galaxy S5. When the battery started bulging, I changed it with a new one, and I was back to the races. Bonus points for the whole ordeal taking 5 minutes to go in the store, grab the battery, pay, and replace it. Compared to the circus that was apple's certified repair shop, which didn't quite understand how appointments work, and took 6 hours to replace the battery.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  People always bring up the s5 and leave out the part that is only water proof if the cover is over the ports and if you make absolutely sure that the battery cover is on correctly.
  - amlib 3y ago
    Having replaceable batteries doesn't require phones to be built exactly like they were 15 years ago. It's more about the battery being a few easy steps away from being replaced rather than the current situation where you need a bunch of exoteric tools, lots of patience and disassembling about 80% of the phone just to get there. And then requiring even more steps in a potentially dangerous process to unglue it. And by "easy steps" I mean not necessarily something that anyone could do with their own hands in 10 seconds (like the old phones), but at least something you could do with your own tools (standard COMMON screwdrivers and so on..) at your leisure within 10 minutes without having any prior practice, just following a simple guide. They CAN design something like this that also meets all the size, weight, cost, safety and water proofness characteristics of the current phones. They just don't chose to, either for lack of incentives (our competitors won't do it, why should we?) or just because they want to profit as much as they can on the back of their customers who know no better and has no way defend from this racket.
progfix 3y ago
Why do you say that? There are many devices that are waterproof and have replaceable parts (cameras, watches, ...).
kaba0 3y ago
The iphone 14 already fulfills the EU requirements. It is not about “on-the road replacement”, it’s about possibility of replacement.
cbg0 3y ago
You won't lose it, it's possible to make phones with removable battery that are IP68: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.ph...
stjohnswarts 3y ago
Apple hasn't lost the technology of gaskets, they just chose not to use it.

I’d hate to lose waterproof feature on iPhone. For it’ll be dealbreaker.

by nuker 3y ago

I’d hate to lose waterproof feature on iPhone. For it’ll be dealbreaker.

Submarines are not glued tight, yet they are waterproof. Much bigger deal for Apple is design. Exposed screws sealing the back cover would give Jony Ive OCD ticks, I'm sure

nonethewiser 3y ago
Submarines are also waaaaaay more expensive. Largely due to all the engineering and quality control that goes into what you’re talking about.
mastax 3y ago
Thankfully, Jony Ive is gone. Though their design has only gotten marginally more practical since.
algas 3y ago
Every part of your first sentence is inaccurate. Submarines are glued tight; all the body panels are welded together. They do this because making waterproof riveted joints is hard [0]. Riveted joints would flex and open up, requiring constant maintenance and caulking, and early riveted subs would leak trails of fuel behind them (and significantly into the sub itself!) Second, submarines aren't even waterproof. There's lots of things that are hard to seal, like the spinning propeller shaft. Submarines have a natural advantage over your phone in this regard: all the water that leaks in can be pumped out. Under the new regulations, phones can't be glued or welded shut, and there's not much room for a bilge pump in the average modern smartphone. [0]: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1518898 https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1518898
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  None of that really matters since we have the technology to seal phones now, Apple just chooses not to because it makes engineering, manufacturing, and designed in obsolescence a bit easier for them.

Tade0 3y ago

Galaxy S5 was IP67 certified despite having a removable battery. iPhone users had to wait two additional years to get the same feature. It's a solved problem - it's just that Apple dragged its feet on it.

scarface_74 3y ago
And if you had the rubber cover secured tightly covering the ports…

vladvasiliu 3y ago

FWIW, my old iPhone 7 started to have a bulging battery. It started pushing on the screen, which started separating from the case. Since I could see the innards, that thing was probably no longer waterproof. I'd have to take it in for service, and I'm not certain that they guarantee its water tightness after a repair. Contrast this to my Galaxy S5. When the battery started bulging, I changed it with a new one, and I was back to the races. Bonus points for the whole ordeal taking 5 minutes to go in the store, grab the battery, pay, and replace it. Compared to the circus that was apple's certified repair shop, which didn't quite understand how appointments work, and took 6 hours to replace the battery.

scarface_74 3y ago
People always bring up the s5 and leave out the part that is only water proof if the cover is over the ports and if you make absolutely sure that the battery cover is on correctly.
- amlib 3y ago
  Having replaceable batteries doesn't require phones to be built exactly like they were 15 years ago. It's more about the battery being a few easy steps away from being replaced rather than the current situation where you need a bunch of exoteric tools, lots of patience and disassembling about 80% of the phone just to get there. And then requiring even more steps in a potentially dangerous process to unglue it. And by "easy steps" I mean not necessarily something that anyone could do with their own hands in 10 seconds (like the old phones), but at least something you could do with your own tools (standard COMMON screwdrivers and so on..) at your leisure within 10 minutes without having any prior practice, just following a simple guide. They CAN design something like this that also meets all the size, weight, cost, safety and water proofness characteristics of the current phones. They just don't chose to, either for lack of incentives (our competitors won't do it, why should we?) or just because they want to profit as much as they can on the back of their customers who know no better and has no way defend from this racket.

progfix 3y ago

Why do you say that? There are many devices that are waterproof and have replaceable parts (cameras, watches, ...).

kaba0 3y ago

The iphone 14 already fulfills the EU requirements. It is not about “on-the road replacement”, it’s about possibility of replacement.

cbg0 3y ago

You won't lose it, it's possible to make phones with removable battery that are IP68: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.ph...

stjohnswarts 3y ago

Apple hasn't lost the technology of gaskets, they just chose not to use it.