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That's actually in the article :) one of the two laws covers all devices with batteries portable batteries.

by onli 3y ago

That's actually in the article :) one of the two laws covers all devices with ~~batteries~~ portable batteries.

jacquesm 3y ago
Thank you! Edit: Hm, I re-read the article and I still can't find that passage, the word 'laptop' doesn't appear. Can you point it out for me?
- vhanda 3y ago
  "In addition to not offering the longevity loophole, Opsomer also points out that the battery regulation covers all products with a portable battery; it’s far wider-reaching than the phone and tablet-focused ecodesign regulation."
- onli 3y ago
  Almost didn't find it myself this time. But here it is: > In addition to not offering the longevity loophole, Opsomer also points out that the battery regulation covers all products with a portable battery; it’s far wider-reaching than the phone and tablet-focused ecodesign regulation.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Ah! Then they really should give that factoid much better billing, including the title. Thank you once again.
    - onli 3y ago
      Np :) And I agree, that really is an awesome part of this progress.
    - layer8 3y ago
      An interesting implication is that it apparently also applies to devices like the Apple Watch and AirPods.
      - sroussey 3y ago
        Likely those will no longer be offered or will be twice as large in Europe as elsewhere. I really don’t want politician directed design and engineering for my devices.
- rlupi 3y ago
  https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html#title1 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237... > (11) This Regulation should apply to all categories of batteries placed on the market or put into service within the Union, regardless of whether they were produced in the Union or imported. It should apply regardless of whether a battery is incorporated into appliances, light means of transport or other vehicles or otherwise added to products or whether a battery is placed on the market or put into service within the Union on its own. This Regulation should apply regardless of whether a battery is specifically designed for a product or is of general use and regardless of whether it is incorporated into a product or is supplied together with or separately from a product in which it is to be used. Placing on the market is considered to take place when the battery has been made available for the first time on the Union market, by being supplied by the manufacturer or importer for distribution, consumption or use in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or free of charge. Thus, batteries placed in stock in the Union by distributors, including retailers, wholesalers and sales divisions of manufacturers, before the date of application of relevant requirements of this Regulation do not need to meet those requirements.
  - sroussey 3y ago
    So do EVs need replaceable batteries? Telos can longer integrate them into the structure of the car?
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      So do EVs need replaceable batteries? If swappable EV battery form factors had been standardized and enforced from the outset, free of DRM and lock-in, we'd be enjoying incredible advantages by now. History will see this as a missed opportunity without a doubt.
    - M2Ys4U 3y ago
      No, The rules around replacing batteries (article 11) only apply to portable batteries and LMT batteries, and not to SLI, electric vehicle or industrial batteries. The relevant terms are defined in article 3: >(9) ‘portable battery’ means a battery that is sealed, weighs 5 kg or less, is not designed specifically for industrial use and is neither an electric vehicle battery, an LMT battery, nor an SLI battery; > (11) ‘light means of transport battery’ or ‘LMT battery’ means a battery that is sealed, weighs 25 kg or less and is specifically designed to provide electric power for the traction of wheeled vehicles that can be powered by an electric motor alone or by a combination of motor and human power, including type-approved vehicles of category L within the meaning of Regulation (EU) No 168/2013 of the European Parliament and of the Council (43), and that is not an electric vehicle battery; >(12) ‘starting, lighting and ignition battery’ or ‘SLI battery’ means a battery that is specifically designed to supply electric power for starting, lighting, or ignition and that can also be used for auxiliary or backup purposes in vehicles, other means of transport or machinery; >(13) ‘industrial battery’ means a battery that is specifically designed for industrial uses, intended for industrial uses after having been subject to preparation for repurposing or repurposing, or any other battery that weighs more than 5 kg and that is neither an electric vehicle battery, an LMT battery, nor an SLI battery; >(14) ‘electric vehicle battery’ means a battery that is specifically designed to provide electric power for traction in hybrid or electric vehicles of category L as provided for in Regulation (EU) No 168/2013, that weighs more than 25 kg, or a battery that is specifically designed to provide electric power for traction in hybrid or electric vehicles of categories M, N or O as provided for in Regulation (EU) 2018/858;
amelius 3y ago
Also Airpods?
- onli 3y ago
  Yes, see the quotes below.

That's actually in the article :) one of the two laws covers all devices with ~~batteries~~ portable batteries.

by onli 3y ago

That's actually in the article :) one of the two laws covers all devices with ~~batteries~~ portable batteries.

Thank you! Edit: Hm, I re-read the article and I still can't find that passage, the word 'laptop' doesn't appear. Can you point it out for me?

vhanda 3y ago
"In addition to not offering the longevity loophole, Opsomer also points out that the battery regulation covers all products with a portable battery; it’s far wider-reaching than the phone and tablet-focused ecodesign regulation."
onli 3y ago
Almost didn't find it myself this time. But here it is: > In addition to not offering the longevity loophole, Opsomer also points out that the battery regulation covers all products with a portable battery; it’s far wider-reaching than the phone and tablet-focused ecodesign regulation.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Ah! Then they really should give that factoid much better billing, including the title. Thank you once again.
  - onli 3y ago
    Np :) And I agree, that really is an awesome part of this progress.
  - layer8 3y ago
    An interesting implication is that it apparently also applies to devices like the Apple Watch and AirPods.
    - sroussey 3y ago
      Likely those will no longer be offered or will be twice as large in Europe as elsewhere. I really don’t want politician directed design and engineering for my devices.
rlupi 3y ago
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html#title1 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237... > (11) This Regulation should apply to all categories of batteries placed on the market or put into service within the Union, regardless of whether they were produced in the Union or imported. It should apply regardless of whether a battery is incorporated into appliances, light means of transport or other vehicles or otherwise added to products or whether a battery is placed on the market or put into service within the Union on its own. This Regulation should apply regardless of whether a battery is specifically designed for a product or is of general use and regardless of whether it is incorporated into a product or is supplied together with or separately from a product in which it is to be used. Placing on the market is considered to take place when the battery has been made available for the first time on the Union market, by being supplied by the manufacturer or importer for distribution, consumption or use in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or free of charge. Thus, batteries placed in stock in the Union by distributors, including retailers, wholesalers and sales divisions of manufacturers, before the date of application of relevant requirements of this Regulation do not need to meet those requirements.
- sroussey 3y ago
  So do EVs need replaceable batteries? Telos can longer integrate them into the structure of the car?
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    So do EVs need replaceable batteries? If swappable EV battery form factors had been standardized and enforced from the outset, free of DRM and lock-in, we'd be enjoying incredible advantages by now. History will see this as a missed opportunity without a doubt.
  - M2Ys4U 3y ago
    No, The rules around replacing batteries (article 11) only apply to portable batteries and LMT batteries, and not to SLI, electric vehicle or industrial batteries. The relevant terms are defined in article 3: >(9) ‘portable battery’ means a battery that is sealed, weighs 5 kg or less, is not designed specifically for industrial use and is neither an electric vehicle battery, an LMT battery, nor an SLI battery; > (11) ‘light means of transport battery’ or ‘LMT battery’ means a battery that is sealed, weighs 25 kg or less and is specifically designed to provide electric power for the traction of wheeled vehicles that can be powered by an electric motor alone or by a combination of motor and human power, including type-approved vehicles of category L within the meaning of Regulation (EU) No 168/2013 of the European Parliament and of the Council (43), and that is not an electric vehicle battery; >(12) ‘starting, lighting and ignition battery’ or ‘SLI battery’ means a battery that is specifically designed to supply electric power for starting, lighting, or ignition and that can also be used for auxiliary or backup purposes in vehicles, other means of transport or machinery; >(13) ‘industrial battery’ means a battery that is specifically designed for industrial uses, intended for industrial uses after having been subject to preparation for repurposing or repurposing, or any other battery that weighs more than 5 kg and that is neither an electric vehicle battery, an LMT battery, nor an SLI battery; >(14) ‘electric vehicle battery’ means a battery that is specifically designed to provide electric power for traction in hybrid or electric vehicles of category L as provided for in Regulation (EU) No 168/2013, that weighs more than 25 kg, or a battery that is specifically designed to provide electric power for traction in hybrid or electric vehicles of categories M, N or O as provided for in Regulation (EU) 2018/858;

amelius 3y ago

Also Airpods?

onli 3y ago
Yes, see the quotes below.