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Is it a trap if the only danger is to the climber themselves? If our lives are not our own to use or risk as we choose, then to whom do they actually belong?

by sneak 3y ago

Auracle 3y ago
Would you feel the same way about a bulimic/anorexic person? What about someone that’s addicted to opioids?
- andrewflnr 3y ago
  No, because those are different situations.
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  In your opinion is desire to do extreme sports a mental illness? (Of course there is toxoplasmosis, toxiplasma gondii (sp?), which causes risk taking and is a literal brain parasite ... perhaps we're due a repost of that one.)
  - Auracle 3y ago
    Not in itself but the end result can be, parasites aside. I had a friend in high school that ran/exercised (wayyy) too much, studied too much, and needed surgery to fix a receding gumline when she was 16 or 17 from overbrushing. That would be just one example.
- sneak 3y ago
  Yes, 100%. Our bodies are our own and we should always be completely free to dispose, modify, destroy, build, protect, or damage them as we see fit without external interference. It is entirely valid to choose to build one's own body and health, and thus it is entirely valid to choose to damage one's own body and health. Even in the case of addiction or disease - who can possibly be a higher authority on "should" than the person in question?
  - Auracle 3y ago
    As long as you're consistent that's fair, but I'm not sure if you'd feel that way if it were a loved one.
Ntrails 3y ago
> Is it a trap if the only danger is to the climber themselves? This tends to be untrue. Often when there are accidents pr tragedies, several people go to great lengths and risk their own lives in attempting to help. I am largely pro the right to free solo, but the ability to claim "it just affects me" feels like a lie. Plus now I am reminded of a Dan le Sac song. Anyway.
- sjducb 3y ago
  Those people are usually fellow mountaineers, doing it for the love of it.
dsauerbrun 3y ago
if I'm on a route and a free solo climber passes me my first thought is "he better not fall and land on me"

Is it a trap if the only danger is to the climber themselves? If our lives are not our own to use or risk as we choose, then to whom do they actually belong?

by sneak 3y ago

Is it a trap if the only danger is to the climber themselves? If our lives are not our own to use or risk as we choose, then to whom do they actually belong?

Auracle 3y ago

Would you feel the same way about a bulimic/anorexic person? What about someone that’s addicted to opioids?

andrewflnr 3y ago
No, because those are different situations.
pbhjpbhj 3y ago
In your opinion is desire to do extreme sports a mental illness? (Of course there is toxoplasmosis, toxiplasma gondii (sp?), which causes risk taking and is a literal brain parasite ... perhaps we're due a repost of that one.)
- Auracle 3y ago
  Not in itself but the end result can be, parasites aside. I had a friend in high school that ran/exercised (wayyy) too much, studied too much, and needed surgery to fix a receding gumline when she was 16 or 17 from overbrushing. That would be just one example.
sneak 3y ago
Yes, 100%. Our bodies are our own and we should always be completely free to dispose, modify, destroy, build, protect, or damage them as we see fit without external interference. It is entirely valid to choose to build one's own body and health, and thus it is entirely valid to choose to damage one's own body and health. Even in the case of addiction or disease - who can possibly be a higher authority on "should" than the person in question?
- Auracle 3y ago
  As long as you're consistent that's fair, but I'm not sure if you'd feel that way if it were a loved one.

Ntrails 3y ago

> Is it a trap if the only danger is to the climber themselves? This tends to be untrue. Often when there are accidents pr tragedies, several people go to great lengths and risk their own lives in attempting to help. I am largely pro the right to free solo, but the ability to claim "it just affects me" feels like a lie. Plus now I am reminded of a Dan le Sac song. Anyway.

sjducb 3y ago
Those people are usually fellow mountaineers, doing it for the love of it.

dsauerbrun 3y ago

if I'm on a route and a free solo climber passes me my first thought is "he better not fall and land on me"