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Hard to be taken out of context if the audio is cross-referenced with upload date and time, GPS position, your heart rate, oxygen level, sleep patterns, step co

Hard to be taken out of context if the audio is cross-referenced with upload date and time, GPS position, your heart rate, oxygen level, sleep patterns, step count, etc... Also, fixing the law takes years. Injecting your ear hole with a hearing device takes a few seconds. It might be worked around, but so can almost anything.

zorrobyte 3y ago
All of your carefully curated and collected data could also be thrown out easily without a clear chain of custody, such as immediate upload in such a way that the data could not be modified and accurately timestamped. Such datastore would need to never have a data. breach or later platform flaw that would break the chain of custody. Sleep data, etc would need to come from a certified device with possible calibration, just as people get out of traffic tickets by uncalibrated radar equipment by police. Also, just about all commercially available devices to track sleep aren't 100% accurate. GPS isn't 100% accurate and can be spoofed externally, etc. You'd also have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the voice wasn't AI generated, that it's your voice and so on and so on. If one has to be this paranoid, it's likely the amount of pinholes and effort you'd have to jump through for the data to be accepted in court at all is gonna be a real pain.
- Qem 3y ago
  > You'd also have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the voice wasn't AI generated, that it's your voice and so on and so on. If you are a defendant in criminal court, you don't need to prove anything. Just to raise doubt and poke holes on any unjust accusation. Innocent until proven guilty implies the accusation are the ones that have to worry about being able to prove something beyond reasonable doubt, ideally.
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    That's a nice catch phrase. You're presumed innocent until accused. Then you're jailed until proven innocent. The burden of proof is dependent on how often your attorney plays golf with the judge.
zorrobyte 3y ago
"Hopefully, the judiciary works better in the US" And sadly, no. False child abuse allegations have a 50%+ incarceration rate and nearly the same suicide rate. If anything goes in front of a jury, depend on your life basically being over. Lookup how Google's CSAM detection ruined a family's life for a year due to sending photos to their tele doctor during the pandemic. I been through a case of my own during a divorce.. luckily mine was so absurd it was immediately dismissed from court and other party was held in contempt.. I had my google maps tracks history printed out, photos, conversations, etc. I did this exact thing. Maybe it helped.. not sure. I often dreamed of using a camera that took a photo every second and uploaded it, every day, forever. Trying to put cameras everywhere in the home would lead to very expensive data storage as it would need to be stored forever. You also may be questioned about putting a camera in a bedroom or other area and such accusation could occur in an area where you can't, and don't want a camera, such as a bathroom. Cameras would need to be hidden for this tactical advantage as you are relying on disproving a specific lie. Otherwise, one was groped for 0.5 seconds in a car, in public, etc. The long term solution was to simply no longer be a parent. It's sad, but the liability is too great.
amelius 3y ago
> Hard to be taken out of context if the audio is cross-referenced with upload date and time, GPS position, your heart rate, oxygen level, sleep patterns, step count, etc... Defendant: here I said "Yes". Plaintiff: that's when I asked "did you do the illegal thing?"
mike_hock 3y ago
The other danger is that it's simply used as evidence against you. I'd surprised if there's any jurisdiction in the world where you can live a normal life without breaking any laws.

zorrobyte 3y ago

All of your carefully curated and collected data could also be thrown out easily without a clear chain of custody, such as immediate upload in such a way that the data could not be modified and accurately timestamped. Such datastore would need to never have a data. breach or later platform flaw that would break the chain of custody. Sleep data, etc would need to come from a certified device with possible calibration, just as people get out of traffic tickets by uncalibrated radar equipment by police. Also, just about all commercially available devices to track sleep aren't 100% accurate. GPS isn't 100% accurate and can be spoofed externally, etc. You'd also have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the voice wasn't AI generated, that it's your voice and so on and so on. If one has to be this paranoid, it's likely the amount of pinholes and effort you'd have to jump through for the data to be accepted in court at all is gonna be a real pain.

Qem 3y ago
> You'd also have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the voice wasn't AI generated, that it's your voice and so on and so on. If you are a defendant in criminal court, you don't need to prove anything. Just to raise doubt and poke holes on any unjust accusation. Innocent until proven guilty implies the accusation are the ones that have to worry about being able to prove something beyond reasonable doubt, ideally.
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  That's a nice catch phrase. You're presumed innocent until accused. Then you're jailed until proven innocent. The burden of proof is dependent on how often your attorney plays golf with the judge.

zorrobyte 3y ago

"Hopefully, the judiciary works better in the US" And sadly, no. False child abuse allegations have a 50%+ incarceration rate and nearly the same suicide rate. If anything goes in front of a jury, depend on your life basically being over. Lookup how Google's CSAM detection ruined a family's life for a year due to sending photos to their tele doctor during the pandemic. I been through a case of my own during a divorce.. luckily mine was so absurd it was immediately dismissed from court and other party was held in contempt.. I had my google maps tracks history printed out, photos, conversations, etc. I did this exact thing. Maybe it helped.. not sure. I often dreamed of using a camera that took a photo every second and uploaded it, every day, forever. Trying to put cameras everywhere in the home would lead to very expensive data storage as it would need to be stored forever. You also may be questioned about putting a camera in a bedroom or other area and such accusation could occur in an area where you can't, and don't want a camera, such as a bathroom. Cameras would need to be hidden for this tactical advantage as you are relying on disproving a specific lie. Otherwise, one was groped for 0.5 seconds in a car, in public, etc. The long term solution was to simply no longer be a parent. It's sad, but the liability is too great.

amelius 3y ago

> Hard to be taken out of context if the audio is cross-referenced with upload date and time, GPS position, your heart rate, oxygen level, sleep patterns, step count, etc... Defendant: here I said "Yes". Plaintiff: that's when I asked "did you do the illegal thing?"

mike_hock 3y ago

The other danger is that it's simply used as evidence against you. I'd surprised if there's any jurisdiction in the world where you can live a normal life without breaking any laws.