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Yes, I think it's reasonable to consider a wheelchair to be a vehicle. Especially the motorized ones.
by bhaney 3y ago
Yes, I think it's reasonable to consider a wheelchair to be a vehicle. Especially the motorized ones.
- mcny 3y agoI said, no. A wheelchair is not a vehicle. In my opinion, the wheelchair is an extension of the person, and not a separate object as long as it is being used by someone who needs it.
- manwe150 3y agoThis seems a fun direction of thought. So does it cease to become a vehicle as soon as someone sits in it, and resume its functionality as a vehicle as soon as it is abandoned?
- Dylan16807 3y agoSo whether it's a vehicle depends on how well the person in it can walk? I don't know about that. I'd rather just give exceptions.
- mcny 3y agoSorry, I didn't mean it that way. I have older parents who can walk short distances but I'd rather they have the choice to use a wheelchair at an airport. In general, no testing. Unless some people are being jackasses and doing something absurd like standing on wheelchairs jousting with long sticks holding up everyone in line.
- josefx 3y agoWhat is your definition of need? If I need to meet friends in the park in five minutes I clearly need a car to get there in time. So the car would not be a vehicle in that case?
- mook 3y agoDoes a wheelchair become a vehicle if somebody who _can_ walk without it sits in it? Does that mean everyone in wheelchairs must be harassed (to find out if they need it)?
- dahart 3y agoSince the preamble mentioned this was a test of language literalness, before I answered the question, I looked up the definition of “vehicle”: “A means of carrying or transporting something” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vehicle https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vehicle While it might be uncommon to call a wheelchair a vehicle, it fits the literal definition. I don’t understand the ‘extension of the person’ rationale, you’re still using the word ‘wheelchair’, and it’s obviously a separate object from a person. How would that rationale differ if you were talking about cars? Can I argue a car is an extension of me as long as I’m using it while I need it?
- delecti 3y agoIt's a common sentiment among wheelchair users that the freedom they enable makes them feel like an extension of a person. In that context, for the purpose of the "vehicle" question, there's not much difference between a wheelchair, prosthetic leg, or eyeglasses. I wouldn't say I'm entirely convinced, but it's at least convincing enough that I said that a wheelchair did not violate the "vehicle" rule. I can't define "vehicle" in a way that would satisfactorily justify that decision, but I'm comfortable with that.
- manwe150 3y agoThe Merriam-Webster definition tends towards a vehicle being something with a power source (something where the power source is not manual/manus/human) capable of moving other things. That would include any sort of powered chair, but not be a problem for a standard wheelchair. Interestingly the Oxford American dictionary explicitly includes a cart as a primary example however, and Wikipedia’s primary example of a vehicle is a bike.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoRoller skates are clearly not a vehicle. Similarly, neither is a wheelchair. They are not reasonably separable form the person using them. A bicycle actually goes on roads, follow rules and get a ticket for jumping a red light.
- wskish 3y agoIt isn't so clear to me. If it conveys a human in any way that humans don't naturally move unassisted then in my mind it qualifies as a conveyance and hence a vehicle, especially in the sense of the the French véhicule, from Latin vehiculum (“a carriage, conveyance”), from vehere (“to carry”)
- sethammons 3y agoStilts? How tall? Platform shoes? How tall?
- xyzzy_plugh 3y agoThe person riding the bicycle does those things, the bicycle is a tool. A tool can't follow rules. You can take roller skates off, get out of a wheelchair, and get off a bicycle. Imagine you were wearing roller skates being pulled by a dog. Imagine you were sitting in a chair, with a roller skate bound to each leg of the chair, rolling down a hill. Imagine you were a flea in a roller skate rolling down a hill. Imagine you were a dog in a wheelchair rolling down a hill. Imagine you were a flea on a dog in a chair with roller skates on its legs rolling down a hill.
- bhaney 3y ago> Roller skates are clearly not a vehicle I don't think that's particularly clear and I think a non-negligible number of people would disagree