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Nobody is asking for "hype" or "bombastic marketing". Just a video of it in operation. It's a rocket, it's cool, people like to see rockets. If you used their m

Nobody is asking for "hype" or "bombastic marketing". Just a video of it in operation. It's a rocket, it's cool, people like to see rockets. If you used their money to build it, that doesn't seem like too much to ask. I'm not a European taxpayer so nobody owes me a video. I'm just perplexed by the attitude of the (I presume) Europeans in this thread. Being proud of the fact that your government doesn't care if you're happy with their use of your taxes is...I'm not sure what it is, but it isn't modesty. And before anyone (correctly) points this out: Yes, the US government doesn't much care what we think either, though it does a better job of pretending to. But you'd be hard pressed to find an American who will brag about it. And at least NASA releases cool videos.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> perplexed by the attitude of the (I presume) Europeans in this thread It's deflection. ESA and ArianeSpace have left a massive strategic hole in Europe's capabilities, in large part due to the arrogance of their leadership. I haven't met a capable European (and yes, I think I can speak that broadly to this) who couldn't communicate why they'd be good at a job or why a job done was done well. When people say they're eschewing promotion out of humility, it's usually because they don't have anything promotable or are bad communicators.
- Aeolun 3y ago
  > I haven't met a capable European Or maybe you’ve just been unable to appreciate it for the ones that didn’t promote themselves your way? I do a really good job, but there’s no reason to make a big deal out of it because that’s what I’m hired for.
  - martin8412 3y ago
    Exactly .. The guy above is just unable to appreciate those people, because they don't have to boast about doing what they're paid to do well. It is super basic. People boasting are usually less qualified.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > there’s no reason to make a big deal out of it because that’s what I’m hired for I grew up in Europe, so I understand what you’re saying. Constant self promotion is one thing. Knowing when to point out that you have the skills to help or taking credit when it’s due (and callable upon) is another. Most of the people who complained about not being able to do the latter had little more than effort to call on.
- martin8412 3y ago
  Anybody competent I know, don't go around boasting about doing their jobs well. Your job doesn't define you, and you don't make it your personality in Europe. You do the job you're asked to do and move on. It's just part of your employment, not some major success. The ones who do boast are making up for their incompetence by pointing to their few successes.
panick21_ 3y ago
As a European from an ESA member state. Shaking my head at how ESA and Arianespace operate is just so frequent that I risking whiplash. I can't get bothered by every single instance where they do a bad job on minor things like this. I wouldn't even mind if they sucked at things like this if they would actually have the right strategy and do the large things correct. Sadly they are really bad at the large things and the small things.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> perplexed by the attitude of the (I presume) Europeans in this thread It's deflection. ESA and ArianeSpace have left a massive strategic hole in Europe's capabilities, in large part due to the arrogance of their leadership. I haven't met a capable European (and yes, I think I can speak that broadly to this) who couldn't communicate why they'd be good at a job or why a job done was done well. When people say they're eschewing promotion out of humility, it's usually because they don't have anything promotable or are bad communicators.

Aeolun 3y ago
> I haven't met a capable European Or maybe you’ve just been unable to appreciate it for the ones that didn’t promote themselves your way? I do a really good job, but there’s no reason to make a big deal out of it because that’s what I’m hired for.
- martin8412 3y ago
  Exactly .. The guy above is just unable to appreciate those people, because they don't have to boast about doing what they're paid to do well. It is super basic. People boasting are usually less qualified.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > there’s no reason to make a big deal out of it because that’s what I’m hired for I grew up in Europe, so I understand what you’re saying. Constant self promotion is one thing. Knowing when to point out that you have the skills to help or taking credit when it’s due (and callable upon) is another. Most of the people who complained about not being able to do the latter had little more than effort to call on.
martin8412 3y ago
Anybody competent I know, don't go around boasting about doing their jobs well. Your job doesn't define you, and you don't make it your personality in Europe. You do the job you're asked to do and move on. It's just part of your employment, not some major success. The ones who do boast are making up for their incompetence by pointing to their few successes.

panick21_ 3y ago

As a European from an ESA member state. Shaking my head at how ESA and Arianespace operate is just so frequent that I risking whiplash. I can't get bothered by every single instance where they do a bad job on minor things like this. I wouldn't even mind if they sucked at things like this if they would actually have the right strategy and do the large things correct. Sadly they are really bad at the large things and the small things.