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Cars aren't like governments, though: the Toyota Corolla doesn't hold a monopoly on anything. Why don't we have more specialized vehicles catering to small, pa

Cars aren't like governments, though: the Toyota Corolla doesn't hold a monopoly on anything. Why don't we have more specialized vehicles catering to small, passionate niches? A modern Jeep or Land Rover looks just like a modern BMW or Audi SUV. The former brands were made by offering minimal rugged off-roaders, the latter by offering luxury vehicles. Now they've been blended into the same bland category. What about beach buggies, or even the Yaris/Matrix/Fit class of light get-arounds? Gone. What about the old nimble 6'-bed Ford Rangers, Chevy S-10s, Toyota Pickups? Gone, replaced with monstrous lifted 4'-bed wannabe minivans. I understand why we can't have a meaningful choice between different types of government in the same area. But why must it be that way with consumer products?

nindalf 3y ago
My comment was in response to a person who said “why can’t manufacturers make something that appeals to my specific tastes?” The answer is, there’s no future in serving tiny niches. Due to economies of scale it makes sense to target larger segments. Kinda like a government trying to please everyone.
- tiedieconderoga 3y ago
  Good point. I, and I suspect many others, would still pay $40K for a specialty base model which would only cost $30K if it sold in mass-market quantities. Large companies in oligopolic positions won't try to produce those sorts of products, because it's risky and they have no reason to innovate or seek untapped markets. It feels like it would be possible if we could incentivize competition and disincentive consolidation, though. Not just in the auto market, either.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  True. It's just a shame that our economy is unable to produce a car that I would buy.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    there was a tv show about this... "The Homer" -- https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Homer https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Homer
ssivark 3y ago
My guess is that any product/brand that wishes to grow beyond a small niche market has to do so by agglomerating features I.e. trying to swallow multiple niches. The push towards economies of scale (and “growth”) makes it really hard for companies to stick with offerings catering to small niches.
dotxlem 3y ago
I really miss those little Ford Rangers. Perfect size for hauling stuff around town if you need to, but still small enough to be a grocery getter too. The newer models seem to be trying to appeal to the “big truck” people, but in a way that those same people won’t want
- Volundr 3y ago
  I really want true compact pickups to make a comeback. Back in high school my girlfriend had a 79 Ford ranger. Put a modern AWD and airbags on that thing and it's my dream car. Great mileage, some towing capacity, and an actually useful bed, without becoming a massive unwieldy thing. Something that I can use 95% of the time to get groceries and not feel like it's overkill, but toss a couch, dirt bike or beehive in the back when the situation calls for it.
- guestbest 3y ago
  They make a smaller model called the Ford Maverick
  - tiedieconderoga 3y ago
    Those things are bigger than an old F-250, and they only have a 4.5' bed. They're also not really pickup trucks, underneath they have the same SUV unibody as the Bronco (yikes) and the Escape.
    - guestbest 3y ago
      Thanks, I can’t really get good information online
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >They make a smaller model called the Ford Maverick Unibody vs body-on-frame. Many consider that "not a real truck".
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Don’t ignore the maverick. It completely fills that niche with the added bonus of not being a death trap.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
> What about the old nimble 6'-bed Ford Rangers, Chevy S-10s, Toyota Pickups? Gone, replaced with monstrous lifted 4'-bed wannabe minivans. those vehicles had horrendous safety records, and modern trucks are larger so as to allow for crumple zones. plastic shells, Styrofoam, and other improved materials allow them to be much larger but without being excessively heavier. agree with your 4' bed and minivan comments, tho > Why don't we have more specialized vehicles catering to small, passionate niches? because large scale manufacturing, safety, liability, and hell just the plain ole logistics of getting stuff places means it's not cost effective. One-offs like the Rally Fighter go for 75k-100k and won't have support, warranty, or the build quality of brands like Ford or Toyota. https://www.classic.com/m/local-motors/rally-fighter/ https://www.classic.com/m/local-motors/rally-fighter/
spott 3y ago
Because cost of entry is proportional to size of market. A narrow niche has a small market by definition, and a car has a large cost of entry, so cars with small niches are rare.
anonym29 3y ago
Ironically, in part because government. The industry convergence on SUVs, light trucks, and crossovers is no coincidence, this is being driven by a corrupt EPA (regulatory capture) that places more lenient emissions standards on these types of vehicles. Thank you government, for producing a regulatory agency strong enough to direct the entire automobile industry, but weak enough to be bribed into near-uselessness by corporate interests.

nindalf 3y ago

My comment was in response to a person who said “why can’t manufacturers make something that appeals to my specific tastes?” The answer is, there’s no future in serving tiny niches. Due to economies of scale it makes sense to target larger segments. Kinda like a government trying to please everyone.

tiedieconderoga 3y ago
Good point. I, and I suspect many others, would still pay $40K for a specialty base model which would only cost $30K if it sold in mass-market quantities. Large companies in oligopolic positions won't try to produce those sorts of products, because it's risky and they have no reason to innovate or seek untapped markets. It feels like it would be possible if we could incentivize competition and disincentive consolidation, though. Not just in the auto market, either.
JohnFen 3y ago
True. It's just a shame that our economy is unable to produce a car that I would buy.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  there was a tv show about this... "The Homer" -- https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Homer https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/The_Homer

ssivark 3y ago

My guess is that any product/brand that wishes to grow beyond a small niche market has to do so by agglomerating features I.e. trying to swallow multiple niches. The push towards economies of scale (and “growth”) makes it really hard for companies to stick with offerings catering to small niches.

dotxlem 3y ago

I really miss those little Ford Rangers. Perfect size for hauling stuff around town if you need to, but still small enough to be a grocery getter too. The newer models seem to be trying to appeal to the “big truck” people, but in a way that those same people won’t want

Volundr 3y ago
I really want true compact pickups to make a comeback. Back in high school my girlfriend had a 79 Ford ranger. Put a modern AWD and airbags on that thing and it's my dream car. Great mileage, some towing capacity, and an actually useful bed, without becoming a massive unwieldy thing. Something that I can use 95% of the time to get groceries and not feel like it's overkill, but toss a couch, dirt bike or beehive in the back when the situation calls for it.
guestbest 3y ago
They make a smaller model called the Ford Maverick
- tiedieconderoga 3y ago
  Those things are bigger than an old F-250, and they only have a 4.5' bed. They're also not really pickup trucks, underneath they have the same SUV unibody as the Bronco (yikes) and the Escape.
  - guestbest 3y ago
    Thanks, I can’t really get good information online
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >They make a smaller model called the Ford Maverick Unibody vs body-on-frame. Many consider that "not a real truck".
nonethewiser 3y ago
Don’t ignore the maverick. It completely fills that niche with the added bonus of not being a death trap.

red-iron-pine 3y ago

> What about the old nimble 6'-bed Ford Rangers, Chevy S-10s, Toyota Pickups? Gone, replaced with monstrous lifted 4'-bed wannabe minivans. those vehicles had horrendous safety records, and modern trucks are larger so as to allow for crumple zones. plastic shells, Styrofoam, and other improved materials allow them to be much larger but without being excessively heavier. agree with your 4' bed and minivan comments, tho > Why don't we have more specialized vehicles catering to small, passionate niches? because large scale manufacturing, safety, liability, and hell just the plain ole logistics of getting stuff places means it's not cost effective. One-offs like the Rally Fighter go for 75k-100k and won't have support, warranty, or the build quality of brands like Ford or Toyota. https://www.classic.com/m/local-motors/rally-fighter/ https://www.classic.com/m/local-motors/rally-fighter/

spott 3y ago

Because cost of entry is proportional to size of market. A narrow niche has a small market by definition, and a car has a large cost of entry, so cars with small niches are rare.

anonym29 3y ago

Ironically, in part because government. The industry convergence on SUVs, light trucks, and crossovers is no coincidence, this is being driven by a corrupt EPA (regulatory capture) that places more lenient emissions standards on these types of vehicles. Thank you government, for producing a regulatory agency strong enough to direct the entire automobile industry, but weak enough to be bribed into near-uselessness by corporate interests.