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> because it's been changing fairly rapidly over time No, it's been changing fairly rapidly for less than 100 years, and usually with serious unforeseen conseq

> because it's been changing fairly rapidly over time No, it's been changing fairly rapidly for less than 100 years, and usually with serious unforeseen consequences. > Look at marriage in nortic countries I'm tired of hearing about nordic countries. First, they aren't nearly as great as the pom-pom crowd thinks. If you do an apples to apples comparison of middle class whites in northern US states to nordic countries, they're really not so fantastic. And there is plenty of hand-wringing about social degradation in Sweden. They're, what, one generation in to their shift away from more conservative arrangements? Give it time and you'll see problems.

Retric 18y ago
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Retric 18y ago
No, it's been changing fairly rapidly for less than 100 years, and usually with serious unforeseen consequences. Woman's rights have been on the rise for much longer than 100 years. (I hear they can vote, own property, and even work in the theater.) I used to be a crime to have sex outside of marriage but that's been on the decline for a long time. There used to be limits on who could marrie based on class and or race lines. (Duke's don't get hitched with just anyone you know.) Dowery's used to be common but now it's mostly just the wives family paying for more of the wedding. (This trend has been going on for a while.) Divorce was introduced by one of the Henry's (he killed most of his other wives but their was one he liked.) I could go on but most of these trends are a lot older than 100 years. One of the few things that does not really seem to change is infidelity. Genetic tests have shown that married women tend to have about ~20% of their kids from someone other than their husband. This does not seem to have changed much over time. PS: Nordic marriage traditions go all the way back to the vikings, but they don't look much like "Christian" family values.
tptacek 18y ago
You forgot to end with ", I assert without evidence".

Retric 18y ago

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Retric 18y ago

No, it's been changing fairly rapidly for less than 100 years, and usually with serious unforeseen consequences. Woman's rights have been on the rise for much longer than 100 years. (I hear they can vote, own property, and even work in the theater.) I used to be a crime to have sex outside of marriage but that's been on the decline for a long time. There used to be limits on who could marrie based on class and or race lines. (Duke's don't get hitched with just anyone you know.) Dowery's used to be common but now it's mostly just the wives family paying for more of the wedding. (This trend has been going on for a while.) Divorce was introduced by one of the Henry's (he killed most of his other wives but their was one he liked.) I could go on but most of these trends are a lot older than 100 years. One of the few things that does not really seem to change is infidelity. Genetic tests have shown that married women tend to have about ~20% of their kids from someone other than their husband. This does not seem to have changed much over time. PS: Nordic marriage traditions go all the way back to the vikings, but they don't look much like "Christian" family values.

tptacek 18y ago

You forgot to end with ", I assert without evidence".