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More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The
by ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area.
The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut.
Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How many people died in car accidents the last few days? Has to be more than 5.
- yreg 3y agoIt's not entirely the media's fault that people are drawn into this topic even though it's fairly unimportant as you say. Take a look at /r/worldnews, users consistently chose to upvote all stories about Titan to the top of the page.
- Auracle 3y agoReddit upvoting rich people dying from something extravagant? No, never.
- ncann 3y agoThat's too cynical. I'm sure if it was 5 unknown poor people or 5 random people the interest would have been the same. People just love following search and rescue stories, that's all there is to it. E.g. the Thailand Cave rescue, or the various mining-related rescues, the interest is always high.
- _yb2s 3y agoNo, it seems to me that Reddit broadly has a culture of hatred for specific groups they blame for most of the world's problems: boomers, and the extremely wealthy.
- sacnoradhq 3y agoWho are most culpable for the decades of profiteering, coverup, and disinformation propaganda campaign of extractive industries that contribute the most to climate change? It's not you or I but the extremely wealthy. It seems more that you're white knighting for a phony "victim" class who should be both in prison and sued to recover damages they've wrought.
- kortilla 3y agoThat’s a really scary straw man you’ve painted. Do you have access to the minutes from the meetings of the “extremely wealthy” where they all unanimously vote to do these evil things? Or maybe is it that you’re just classist to avoid any inward criticism?
- s1artibartfast 3y agoYou just made their point for them.
- brendamn 3y ago> How many people died in car accidents the last few days? Car accidents (not involving anyone of note) sadly aren’t novel or newsworthy anymore. A submarine, with people potentially trapped onboard, with limited oxygen, as rescue teams race to the dive site, unfolding in real-time, isn’t exactly something that happens that often.
- totallywrong 3y agoAdd an eccentric CEO operating against everyone's advice, some rich passangers, and it's a dream for the media.
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- King-Aaron 3y agoYou don't have to bring politics into every piece of news that happens.
- cdolan 3y agofirst political post I've ever made on this site, and tbh not really political its factual information about a politician - its been a bad news week for Biden
- finitemonkey 3y agoOh yeah. The media. How convenient. Nobody would have an interest in this if it wasn't for "the media" pushing for a story.
- wiseowise 3y agoIt is literally dream scenario for both media and people.
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- misiti3780 3y agoon average 32K americans die a year which means 32000/365*4 = ~350 people in the US have died in car accidents since the media started talking about this. Sort of reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Rampi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Rampi
- hahajk 3y agoThere's a difference between knowing that a certain number of people are statistically dying right now vs knowing that 5 specific people are currently dying in a specific way.
- wslh 3y agoSpecific way, more linked to people deaths combined with specific vehicles: Drivers and Formula 1, spaceships and astronauts, etc.
- MisterBastahrd 3y agoMost of the people getting shot in mass shootings aren't doing something stupid on purpose.
- midoridensha 3y agoI think part of it is what society has deemed an "acceptable loss". So most developed societies, for instance, are OK with people dying in mangled steel cages on roads because most people in those places think car-based societies are worth the cost in lives. US society in particular is OK with people dying in mass shootings, because American people think having access to guns is so important. But if a bunch of people die in an aircraft crash due to negligence, suddenly it's different because that's not an acceptable loss: it was preventable. Mass shootings aren't preventable in the US because most people there value "gun rights" over these deaths, just like the US and many other places value car culture over the deaths caused by cars.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoMost of the people shot in Mass shootings (by the definition) are doing something stupid,specifically drug dealing and gang warfare. Very boring stuff
- hodgesrm 3y agoCitation please? I don't recall a lot of drug-dealing at Uvalde last year. [0] https://www.texastribune.org/series/uvalde-texas-school-shooting/ https://www.texastribune.org/series/uvalde-texas-school-shoo...
- xwdv 3y agoIf the explosion was heard Sunday night wouldn’t this mean there’s a possibility the crew was stuck for some time and knew they were likely going to die?
- LilBytes 3y agoAn explosion at that death is nearly always critical and catastrophic. That an explosion would occur and there might be a glimmer of hope is closer to 0 than any other number.
- jethro_tell 3y agoNot a chance. The whole problem with subs is that water weighs about 8lb per gallon. So, at 4000m you're looking at something between 4500 5500 psi. Thats a small truck worth of pressure every square inch in the hull. Once you breach the structure, think crushing a tin can in the middle, things collapse pretty fast. As do bodies. If you figure your body is 2 foot by 6 foot, the pressure would be like parking 100 fully loaded 18 wheelers on a single body within a split second of each other. Every book or encounter you read about submariners has a section talking about the creaking of the bulkheads and wondering how long it can hold because it's such a nature defying act to build something that can hold that pressure out in the first place.
- antognini 3y ago> creaking of the bulkheads One of the counterintuitive features of submarines is that they're not built to be waterproof at the surface. The various parts of the hull aren't welded shut and instead rely on the external pressure to press them shut at depth. Making them waterproof at the surface ends up making them less able to resist the pressure at depth.
- upon_drumhead 3y agoSo what do they do when they run on the surface?
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- mbesto 3y ago"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic." I love to bemoan about the media just like the next person, but sadly this is just human nature.
- wiseowise 3y agoThere’s nothing sad about it.
- yreg 3y agoFrom one perspective I agree with you. E.g. there's nothing sad about the fact that I have followed some of the news about this incident, it is interesting afterall. But I think most of us would agree that it is sad that humans cannot allocate public resources in a more utilitarian way to save lives or maximalize happiness.[0] And I think the reason of that is human nature. Our empathy doesn't care about scales of a tragedies. An individual sad tale can make us feel exactly the same as a war where millions are affected. [0] Planet Money had an insightful episode on this: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/835571843 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/835571843
- keepamovin 3y agoFor whatever reason, disasters are normally covered like this. Death tolls gradually get revised up, survivors gradually get out of hope. I'd like to believe it's just a natural dynamic of how humans learn information about something sudden and bad, but maybe it's to some extent, deliberate to squeeze as much out of the story as possible.
- gmerc 3y ago600 refugees drowned in the mediterranean and the captain of one of the non profit rescue vessels operating in the mediterranean is facing 20 years in prison. barf.
- bilekas 3y agoWhile on principle I agree. It doesn't matter. There can be 2 problems at the same time. Whatever people focus on shouldn't be a topic. Edit: That seems far more callous than it was meant. You're right, people are forced to travel the sea almost daily, desperate people will do anything. This IS different. And hits different because it was a choice, with a real discussion about "Hey, it's really possible you can die, and you already have a rich life" The fact it's rich people should show that it's a completely different scenario. As for media coverage. I would agree.
- bilekas 3y agoEdit x2: Just incase it wasn't clear. It's different because 'we' would never think to jump on an overflowing boat. 'We' could imagine taking an 'adventure' in a submarine. So it relates to 'us'. This isn't a dig or insult. But context matters.
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- midoridensha 3y agoNot all of them: the son of the Pakistani businessman was truly innocent here. He was terrified of going on this foolhardy voyage and only went along because he didn't want to upset his dumb dad.
- finitemonkey 3y agoAt age 19, you can disconnect from your parents if they do dumb things you don't agree with and drag yourself down. Quite literally in this case. It can impact your life financially, i.e., he might have faced foregoing an inheritance and heaving to build wealth himself instead of relying on the billions of his dad. But that's his choice, so don't relieve him from his own responsibility. He wasn't 5.
- hyperthesis 3y agoFrom the date of lost-contact (18 June 2023), there have been 13 deaths from mass shootings in the US. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
- kortilla 3y ago“Mass shootings”, as in the people who were shot had mass. Redefining mass shootings to conveniently include gang violence really dilutes the term to meaninglessness.
- richk449 3y agoWhy is it not a mass shooting if a gang is involved?
- catiopatio 3y agoWhy is it? Do you think that gang violence and what we traditionally call “mass shootings” have the same underlying causes and represent a similar level of risk to the public?
- dghlsakjg 3y agoUnderlying causes could be: incredibly easy access to guns, and, a lack of a social services. Compared to peer countries for both causes the US is wildly on the edge. I live in Canada, which is about as close as you can get to the US in any number of ways, and I don’t know anyone who has been a victim of gun violence here. Not true for my American friends (at least two students died in shootings in the high school I went to in the US, one of them was a mentally challenged student shot by a cop). In all honesty, both types of shootings pose relatively small risks to the American public compared to, say, traffic violence, but that’s no reason to ignore a problem that has largely been solved in other developed countries.
- xienze 3y ago> Do you think that gang violence and what we traditionally call “mass shootings” Hold on a second here. The FBI definition of mass shooting has always been the same, and gang violence meeting that standard (four or more casualties) has always been considered a mass shooting. Years of media only ever using the term “mass shooting” when it involves a school ambush scenario has distorted, in your mind (and many other people, frankly) what the term actually represents. The problem with this is that people draw a false association when they hear statistics about how there’s “x00 mass shootings” every year —- your mind instantly thinks that there’s x00 Columbine-level assaults on schools every year when in fact it’s more like 10 school shootings and the rest of the several hundred are the kinds of shootings that happen in Chicago and other places every other week. > have the same underlying causes The popular opinion is that easy access to guns is the only reason, so yeah apparently. > and represent a similar level of risk to the public? Again, see the earlier point about how people hear “mass shooting” and can’t conceive of any way in which a “mass shooting” doesn’t involve someone randomly shooting up a school or workplace. There are indeed a lot of mass shootings every year, but the majority of them _don’t_ involve the sort of crazy lone-gunman-shooting-up-a-school scenario that people _think_ are the majority of mass shootings. The majority of them are in fact gang violence. As far as threat to the public? Depends how likely you are to be somewhere that gang violence might occur —- and those areas aren’t as isolated as people like to think.
- talldatethrow 3y ago100 Americans die on the road every single day on average. Your odds of dying in a car over a lifetime are about 1 in 100.
- johnpublic 3y agoNews is "new"(s). Nothing new about car accidents