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Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be
by methodical 3y ago
Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Titanic is "relatively shallow" in the ocean, to people speculating that the passengers may have drowned as opposed to being /literally/ instantly vaporized. I think, per usual, this whole event has gone to show just how quickly (some) people assume an authoritative position in areas they have absolutely no expertise or knowledge about. Rant over.
- hombre_fatal 3y agoIt's amazing how fast everyone goes from being covid/vaccine experts to {flavor of the week} experts to submersible experts.
- mandmandam 3y ago[flagged]
- mulmen 3y agoThere are experts on every topic, you shouldn't be surprised to hear from them when that is the topic of discussion.
- sokoloff 3y agoConveniently, my fairly average high school graduating class of around 350 has dozens of experts on nearly any popular topic.
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- krisoft 3y ago> to people speculating that the passengers may have drowned In layman terms “drowned” simply means that you died under water. It is not a sophisticated statement about the manner of anyone’s passing. People in the know understand that on a submarine you can die of hypoxia (if they mismanage the oxygen), or die of hypothermia (if they get stuck on the bottom with an intact pressure vessel, but no electricity) or die in an implosion, or burn to death in a conventional fire. In an everday conversation these all would be described as “drowned” by virtue of dying underwater even though none of them are what a coroner would report as drowning.
- barbs 3y agoI really don't think that's true at all. I consider drowning to be inhaling water and being unable to breathe, not just any death that happens underwater, and I imagine most people would think the same.
- krisoft 3y agoSure. The people who said they have drowned probably think the same. But it doesn’t mean that they have carefully considered all the possible failure modes of a submersible and postulating that one which leads to a drowning is the most likely in this case. It expresses more a vibe that the speaker thinks they are dead. But why not make it more concrete. Can you find a single example where someone says that they have drowned and the speaker means it as a carefull engineering analysis regarding failure modes, as opposed to a general vibe of “they dead”?
- CryptoBanker 3y agoWho died and made you the authority on layman terms? I'm pretty sure most people if they heard "drowned" would assumed that it was because they had water in their lungs
- stcroixx 3y agoAgree, am layman. Dying in a fire underwater is not drowning.
- NotYourLawyer 3y ago>vaporized I mean, that’s not what happens either.
- mlb893 3y agoI would assume 5700 PSI of water pressure jetting through any breach would qualify as "vaporised", on top of the structure collapsing. 5700 pounds of pressure per square inch. Ouch.
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- LeftHandPath 3y agoI saw someone on reddit insisting they were doomed because the hatch didn't open from the inside. Opening the hatch? At 13,000 feet below sea level?!
- mulmen 3y agoI think the concern there is that they would be able to surface but not control the craft then drift somewhere and eventually suffocate.
- georgemcbay 3y agoThere's some merit to this. The hatch not opening from the inside means that even if they did manage to reach the surface of the ocean, if they didn't find their way back to either their own mothership or something else capable of opening the hatch from the outside they still would have died due to lack of oxygen when the oxygen ran out.
- Auracle 3y agoIt apparently had dissolving straps on a ballast so it would (almost) surface on its own in case of issues. If it wasn’t an explosive event they would have been stuck just under the surface with no way to get out. That said, opening a hatch in that scenario would be an absolute last resort anyways. It’s not like the people that went overboard on the Titanic lasted long and it’s in the same exact place.
- colechristensen 3y agoI’m working on the right way to express this correctly but it seems to me pretty reliable that willingness to comment in public on any topic makes it much more likely that the commenter is demonstrably wrong / an extremist.
- 111111IIIIIII 3y agoMaybe, but what's the likelihood that you're just demonstrably wrong / an extremist?
- colechristensen 3y agoIt happens :) I do on occasion ramble on with unpopular opinions or say things which are probably incorrect
- 111111IIIIIII 3y agoIn that case, maybe you're just human like the rest of us.
- zamadatix 3y agoThere was never an indication the comment was supposed to be excluded from the generality. If anything, this thread is just showing it to be more likely (me included). The only way not to show it as such is to get an actual expert on the topic to post an informed opinion with reasoning or citations. This, as the original comment suggested, seems much less likely than us continuing to talk about it instead :).
- kossTKR 3y agoComments about years of ignoring safety are not stupid, neither are comments comparing to other more working-class tragedies. You use an idiom comparing people to insects crawling fourth from woodwork like some master of science laughing at the plebs. That said of course lots of stupid stuff is said, it's the internet, but your comment is just as stupid which is pretty funny.
- Chris2048 3y agoThey actual said "besides" those comments, meaning "other than". Also, "crawling from the woodwork" is an idiom in common usage: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/come-crawl-out-of-the-woodwork https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/come-cra... It's not literally comparing people to insects, or implying that, even though it has a disapproving tone.
- dmonitor 3y agowould they be vaporized or instantly compacted? my morbid curiosity kind of wants to see what would happen to a body under such insane pressure conditions.
- tptacek 3y agoAs I understand it: the pressure vessel was full of air, and at the moment it failed, that air-filled space became the equivalent of the cylinder of a 2-stroke engine, instantly heating as the air compressed.
- Tuna-Fish 3y agoCorrect. Except it is heated to a much, much higher temperature.
- userbinator 3y agoYou probably meant diesel engine. The compression pressure of those is around 300-500psi, and that's sufficient to heat the air to a few hundred degrees and ignite the injected fuel. For comparison, what happened in this sub was 10x that pressure. (Yes, 2-stroke diesels also exist, and sound absolutely amazing.)
- Tuna-Fish 3y agoMuch higher than that. The external pressure was ~6000psi, but water has inertia. The peak pressure as the bubble imploded was many orders of magnitude higher than that.
- istjohn 3y agoIgnoring inertia (the water hammer effect), the air would reach 38,000 F, four times the temperature on the surface of the sun.
- dpedu 3y agoYou're in luck, the Mythbusters tried this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEY3fN4N3D8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEY3fN4N3D8