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In a weird way, this is almost relieving. The speculation that they were suffocated and entombed in their own filth somewhere on the ocean as they died slowly s
by legitster 3y ago
In a weird way, this is almost relieving. The speculation that they were suffocated and entombed in their own filth somewhere on the ocean as they died slowly seemed so, so much worse.
- rconti 3y agoI mean, unless it imploded after a horrible fire or something.
- joegahona 3y agoJust thinking about that outcome yesterday caused my blood pressure to skyrocket. Dark, cold, cramped, fetid, hungry, thirsty, knowing oxygen is running out.
- Buttons840 3y agoIn that scenario, as long as they could keep CO2 levels down, running out of oxygen isn't so bad (ignoring the other troubles). The human body can't detect a lack of oxygen, you just get tired and light headed and pass out.
- taylodl 3y agoYes, but as you hinted at the human body can detect a rise in CO2 levels and it doesn't take much for things to start getting really uncomfortable and fast. To your point, if you could somehow manage the CO2 levels then you would just peacefully fall asleep and die.
- 2-718-281-828 3y agoi understand what you are basing your statement on (a cleaner version would be asphyxiation by breathing an inert gas) but you are very wrong. as a matter of fact people with an impaired amygdala who can't experience fear will panic when forced to breathe co2. also your breathing will get very shallow and cause co2 to accumulate triggering those very receptors you argue will stay silent. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.12350 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.12350
- meepmorp 3y agoWhat the does that have to do with what OP said? OP, correctly, pointed out that we don't detect the lack of O2, we detect a buildup of CO2 (because it causes respiratory acidosis). If the CO2 is removed, there's nothing to cause the panic response, the situation itself notwithstanding. It's still nea that it works with an impaired amygdala, though.
- 2-718-281-828 3y agofirst of all - the co2 isn't removed ...
- WithinReason 3y agoIt is, they had CO2 scrubbers
- 2-718-281-828 3y agobut not endlessly. those scrubbers are saturated after a while. that's the whole point. otherwise suffocation wouldn't be a threat to begin with. why do i have to argue here with so many people about something so simple to understand?
- WithinReason 3y agoThe CO2 scrubbers were in masks which could be replaced and there was enough for 96 hours
- 2-718-281-828 3y agohow is that even relevant to the question here? i'm out, have a good day
- meepmorp 3y agoIt's called a hypothetical.
- legitster 3y ago> The human body can't detect a lack of oxygen Unless you know you are trapped and running out of oxygen.
- welder 3y agoNo, you really won't notice even if you know it's coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfF2MTnqAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfF2MTnqAw
- legitster 3y agoThese kind of long, agonizing, pointless deaths are all too common when dealing with the ocean. There was a horrifying case after Pearl Harbor where bodies were found in the airpocket of the USS West Virginia. They had flashlights with batteries and fresh water and had marked off 16 days on a calendar. Legend has it that sailors could hear banging for weeks knowing they could not cut through the thick battleship armor in time and just drowned out the noise.
- detaro 3y agoan article about it: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/16-days-to-die-at-pearl-harbor-families-werent-told-about-sailors-trapped-inside-sunken-battleship/ https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/16-days-to-die-at-...
- cafard 3y agoA sometime co-worker's father was on a salvage crew at Pearl Harbor, and apparently heard the banging.
- giarc 3y agoSomewhere a redditor did the math and I believe it would have taken 24ms for the glass to break and the water to rush in. Instant death if it was indeed the glass.
- ChuckNorris89 3y agoJust how instant is that death? Do you die from quickly drowning in the water or is the water pressure enough to also crush your skull quick enough to make sure you die without having the chance to feel anything? Guillotined people can still be alive and feel about 30 second safter their head has been removed from their body.
- lamontcg 3y agoIt would be more like dying from a shockwave from a massive explosives blast. You're going to turn entirely to jelly. Within a few ms there will be nothing left working properly.
- simonblack 3y agoI did read somewhere (I don't remember exactly where) that when there is an implosion at great depth the air in the submarine is compressed so quickly that anything flammable (specifically human bodies, plastics, etc) would burn up instantly. So it's a bit like the explosion of the fuel-air mixture in a diesel engine.
- eco 3y agoMakes sense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston
- PepperdineG 3y ago>Just how instant is that death? Similar to the Arbogast in The Expanse, but even greater disassembly.
- no1groyp 3y agoLungs collapse instantly
- mach1ne 3y agoThen again, the rover would have found the sub from the location even if it were intact, and there could have been a small chance of survival since they had the equipment. Hope is more important than agony.
- bhtru 3y agoWhat would be worse a catastrophic collapse deep down in the sea or a sudden depressurization high above in the sky around the Armstrong limit?
- dogma1138 3y agoImplosion at 400 atm probably takes a fraction of a second, with catastrophic decompression of 1 atm you’ll be conscious probably for about a minute.
- LorenPechtel 3y agoAbove the Armstrong limit you're looking at 9-15 seconds of useful consciousness. (The time you are conscious enough to take actions to save yourself.) When a deep sub implodes you're going to be hit by water moving at the speed of sound in said water (1,500m/s, considerably faster than in air.) That's far above the speed of nerve impulses, there's no way a pain signal could reach the brain before there isn't a brain left to get the signal.
- dogma1138 3y agoI’ll still take about 1/1000th of a second or so over upto 10 seconds of contemplating my faith. Especially in the case where I’ve drugged one of my children to come with me.
- Maxion 3y agoThe latter clearly as you’d definitely have a longer time of being conscious.
- accrual 3y agoOne would survive at the Armstrong limit for much longer indeed: > Exposure to pressure below this limit results in a rapid loss of consciousness, followed by a series of changes to cardiovascular and neurological functions, and eventually death, unless pressure is restored within 60–90 seconds. [0] [0] http://www.geoffreylandis.com/vacuum.html http://www.geoffreylandis.com/vacuum.html