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At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.

by soperj 3y ago

arthurcolle 3y ago
Well his actions lead to several other people dying too. Maybe the ticket they bought has a contract that exempts OceanGate (tragic name for a company going through their own #OceanGate a la Watergate) from any liability, but I hope this company gets annihilated in court with criminal and civil penalties. Slacking this hard on safety for a submarine engineering company should not be tolerated in our rapidly advancing industrial society.
- az226 3y ago
  OceanGateGate
- ipython 3y ago
  My first thought was Heavens Gate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_g...
  - optimalsolver 3y ago
    Same here. 39 to beam up.
    - Vecr 3y ago
      Better buy the joystick they used before it goes like the Heaven's Gate tennis shoes.
- sonotathrowaway 3y ago
  Saying that you absolve yourself of liability doesn’t excuse gross negligence though.
dheera 3y ago
It's also probably related to the "launch or die" ecosystem that Y Combinator, Sand Hill investors, and pretty much the entire ecosystem promotes. When was the last time an investor handed an additional $10 million check for 0% to a startup to improve and test their safety systems before launching? Instead their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but not a deep sea vessel. Today's version of capitalism is every bit responsible for tragedies like this. While the CEO is directly at fault for certain things, the system is equally at fault for raising and educating a CEO (and huge numbers of post-2000s CEOs) to be like that.
- logifail 3y ago
  > their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but not a deep sea vessel Hypothetical users of the SaaS platform or grocery delivery app who find out later that their personal information wasn't handled with the appropriate safeguards might disagree with that one. > Today's version of capitalism is every bit responsible for tragedies like this Correct.
- nyolfen 3y ago
  true, i've never heard of issues with the engineering of a submarine produced under socialism
  - yoyohello13 3y ago
    'Not capitalism' is not the same as 'socialism'
    - dheera 3y ago
      Yep, exactly. I was suggesting we need a better system in the future, not a worse system.
      - xwdv 3y ago
        Techno-feudalism? I’m curious what other systems you think could be better.
theklub 3y ago
Honestly given all the red flags he ignored it seems like he had a death wish, or at the very least got a thrill from risking his life on these trips. Otherwise I can't wrap my head around the stupidity of the whole thing.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  Some ultra-rich people have nigh-unconquerable survivorship biases
xwdv 3y ago
In his mind he never properly died though, it was damn near instant. He got to live his whole life and never realize the consequences of his actions through a slow, violent epiphany.

At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.

by soperj 3y ago

At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.

Well his actions lead to several other people dying too. Maybe the ticket they bought has a contract that exempts OceanGate (tragic name for a company going through their own #OceanGate a la Watergate) from any liability, but I hope this company gets annihilated in court with criminal and civil penalties. Slacking this hard on safety for a submarine engineering company should not be tolerated in our rapidly advancing industrial society.

az226 3y ago
OceanGateGate
ipython 3y ago
My first thought was Heavens Gate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_g...
- optimalsolver 3y ago
  Same here. 39 to beam up.
  - Vecr 3y ago
    Better buy the joystick they used before it goes like the Heaven's Gate tennis shoes.
sonotathrowaway 3y ago
Saying that you absolve yourself of liability doesn’t excuse gross negligence though.

dheera 3y ago

It's also probably related to the "launch or die" ecosystem that Y Combinator, Sand Hill investors, and pretty much the entire ecosystem promotes. When was the last time an investor handed an additional $10 million check for 0% to a startup to improve and test their safety systems before launching? Instead their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but not a deep sea vessel. Today's version of capitalism is every bit responsible for tragedies like this. While the CEO is directly at fault for certain things, the system is equally at fault for raising and educating a CEO (and huge numbers of post-2000s CEOs) to be like that.

logifail 3y ago
> their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but not a deep sea vessel Hypothetical users of the SaaS platform or grocery delivery app who find out later that their personal information wasn't handled with the appropriate safeguards might disagree with that one. > Today's version of capitalism is every bit responsible for tragedies like this Correct.
nyolfen 3y ago
true, i've never heard of issues with the engineering of a submarine produced under socialism
- yoyohello13 3y ago
  'Not capitalism' is not the same as 'socialism'
  - dheera 3y ago
    Yep, exactly. I was suggesting we need a better system in the future, not a worse system.
    - xwdv 3y ago
      Techno-feudalism? I’m curious what other systems you think could be better.

theklub 3y ago

Honestly given all the red flags he ignored it seems like he had a death wish, or at the very least got a thrill from risking his life on these trips. Otherwise I can't wrap my head around the stupidity of the whole thing.

MisterBastahrd 3y ago
Some ultra-rich people have nigh-unconquerable survivorship biases

xwdv 3y ago

In his mind he never properly died though, it was damn near instant. He got to live his whole life and never realize the consequences of his actions through a slow, violent epiphany.