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So what? We’ve been here before. We already know the effects alcohol has. But we also know the effects alcohol bans have.

wlesieutre 3y ago
Great way to give a lot of money to organized crime
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Organized crime will always exist as long as there is human demand for something illegal, it's how aggressively you manage it (investigate, jail, or in some countries, execute, depending on the crime, measured harm, etc).
  - adventured 3y ago
    Organized crime at scale only ever exists due to the government manifesting it through a prohibition that shouldn't have been put into place. The organized at scale (beyond just a gang in a neighborhood) aspect of it requires considerable ongoing capital infusion, which you can only get from a sustainable extraction of economy. It's that pocket of black market economy that is always created by government action, without exception. Every large gang operation in the US rides on top of government prohibition or otherwise preys on regressive regulation. The war on drugs being the greatest example in recorded history.
- chris_wot 3y ago
  That isn’t happening in Alice Springs.
  - SteveNuts 3y ago
    You’re right, it’s probably all the surrounding communities.
    - richardjam73 3y ago
      What surrounding communities?
      - Turing_Machine 3y ago
        Google Maps seems to show a fair number of small settlements in the general area, but not within the city limits of Alice Springs.
        richardjam73 3y ago
        I'm bad at explaining this. Remote Australia is not like the rest of world. It is not easy to supply these places with goods. Doing so illegally is even more difficult. Those outlying communities are not just relay points in some chain going back to the coastal cities. Like you would get in other places.
- steve76 3y ago
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lern_too_spel 3y ago
Indeed, they were there before. Until 1 year ago, they had alcohol bans in place. They brought those back.
- willsmith72 3y ago
  To be clear, the bans began in 07/08, and expired at the start of this year. After a short time without the ban, it was reinstated in February
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    Was anyone surprised they didn't develop a responsible drinking culture while alcohol was banned?

wlesieutre 3y ago

Great way to give a lot of money to organized crime

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Organized crime will always exist as long as there is human demand for something illegal, it's how aggressively you manage it (investigate, jail, or in some countries, execute, depending on the crime, measured harm, etc).
- adventured 3y ago
  Organized crime at scale only ever exists due to the government manifesting it through a prohibition that shouldn't have been put into place. The organized at scale (beyond just a gang in a neighborhood) aspect of it requires considerable ongoing capital infusion, which you can only get from a sustainable extraction of economy. It's that pocket of black market economy that is always created by government action, without exception. Every large gang operation in the US rides on top of government prohibition or otherwise preys on regressive regulation. The war on drugs being the greatest example in recorded history.
chris_wot 3y ago
That isn’t happening in Alice Springs.
- SteveNuts 3y ago
  You’re right, it’s probably all the surrounding communities.
  - richardjam73 3y ago
    What surrounding communities?
    - Turing_Machine 3y ago
      Google Maps seems to show a fair number of small settlements in the general area, but not within the city limits of Alice Springs.
      - richardjam73 3y ago
        I'm bad at explaining this. Remote Australia is not like the rest of world. It is not easy to supply these places with goods. Doing so illegally is even more difficult. Those outlying communities are not just relay points in some chain going back to the coastal cities. Like you would get in other places.
steve76 3y ago
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lern_too_spel 3y ago

Indeed, they were there before. Until 1 year ago, they had alcohol bans in place. They brought those back.

willsmith72 3y ago
To be clear, the bans began in 07/08, and expired at the start of this year. After a short time without the ban, it was reinstated in February
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Was anyone surprised they didn't develop a responsible drinking culture while alcohol was banned?