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> I never built a web app in my life. > I would highly suggest people to try SvelteKit. I feel like this is a good summary of tech trends these days.

Buttons840 3y ago
A beginner suggesting something to try seems fine to me. They have something no amount of study can give, a fresh perspective.
- efdee 3y ago
  Fresh perspective, or lack of perspective?
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > A beginner suggesting something to try seems fine to me. They have something no amount of study can give, a fresh perspective. When the beginner's critique of the competition is that it felt dirty: Next was my least favorite mostly due to the syntax and how you had to build the application. I really didn't like the whole style of Next and React. Just felt dirty. .... then I don't know that I trust their suggestion. More importantly, technologies like programming languages and frameworks tend to shine at different levels of app size and complexity. Novice building a demo app says nothing about how the developer experience and code complexity will scale as you evolve your app or add more developers to the team.
  - kirso 3y ago
    As a beginner its helpful to me because I don't want to spend my entire life learning syntax I hate.
sph 3y ago
Then there's "I build one web app in my life. Typescript is the best thing ever." And us greybeards: "I have built 50 different web apps across 20 years and I'd rather poke my eyes than work on client-side Javascript again. No, your new framework isn't any better."
- IshKebab 3y ago
  Typescript is very different to Javascript (and it isn't a framework). But I get your point.
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  Then there's "I've been writing frontends since Javascript was a thing and I think developing for the frontend with anything but Typescript is more effort than its worth and a little bit ridiculous, but maybe I'll give something with WASM a try when it's more mature"
  - theironhammer 3y ago
    If you're a Rust programmer Leptos looks pretty intriguing. It uses Signals like SolidJS.
    - pcthrowaway 3y ago
      Oh that sounds cool, thanks
sebastianconcpt 3y ago
Which is valid as an unpolluted testimony about smoothness of adoption, right? BTW, is noticeable that you were careful to omit the `I have always been on the server side` part.
say_it_as_it_is 3y ago
It goes all the way upstream. People build SAAS companies offering services based on best practices while the product/engineering have had zero prior experience with the subject until their current project. People found companies selling themselves to investors as experts in the field that they have no experience in. Investors sell themselves as experts of the industry that they just invested in these founders for. Pension managers investing in the VC funds sell themselves as investment managers who practice a disciplined investment strategy. Yet, the only people who usually are carefully evaluated are the engineers. The rest get a pass based on personality and character.
- calderwoodra 3y ago
  How convenient that (what is likely) your role is the only one in the world the gets any scrutiny /s.
XCSme 3y ago
Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3cL4nrGOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3cL4nrGOk

Buttons840 3y ago

A beginner suggesting something to try seems fine to me. They have something no amount of study can give, a fresh perspective.

efdee 3y ago
Fresh perspective, or lack of perspective?
andsoitis 3y ago
> A beginner suggesting something to try seems fine to me. They have something no amount of study can give, a fresh perspective. When the beginner's critique of the competition is that it felt dirty: Next was my least favorite mostly due to the syntax and how you had to build the application. I really didn't like the whole style of Next and React. Just felt dirty. .... then I don't know that I trust their suggestion. More importantly, technologies like programming languages and frameworks tend to shine at different levels of app size and complexity. Novice building a demo app says nothing about how the developer experience and code complexity will scale as you evolve your app or add more developers to the team.
- kirso 3y ago
  As a beginner its helpful to me because I don't want to spend my entire life learning syntax I hate.

sph 3y ago

Then there's "I build one web app in my life. Typescript is the best thing ever." And us greybeards: "I have built 50 different web apps across 20 years and I'd rather poke my eyes than work on client-side Javascript again. No, your new framework isn't any better."

IshKebab 3y ago
Typescript is very different to Javascript (and it isn't a framework). But I get your point.
pcthrowaway 3y ago
Then there's "I've been writing frontends since Javascript was a thing and I think developing for the frontend with anything but Typescript is more effort than its worth and a little bit ridiculous, but maybe I'll give something with WASM a try when it's more mature"
- theironhammer 3y ago
  If you're a Rust programmer Leptos looks pretty intriguing. It uses Signals like SolidJS.
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    Oh that sounds cool, thanks

sebastianconcpt 3y ago

Which is valid as an unpolluted testimony about smoothness of adoption, right? BTW, is noticeable that you were careful to omit the `I have always been on the server side` part.

say_it_as_it_is 3y ago

It goes all the way upstream. People build SAAS companies offering services based on best practices while the product/engineering have had zero prior experience with the subject until their current project. People found companies selling themselves to investors as experts in the field that they have no experience in. Investors sell themselves as experts of the industry that they just invested in these founders for. Pension managers investing in the VC funds sell themselves as investment managers who practice a disciplined investment strategy. Yet, the only people who usually are carefully evaluated are the engineers. The rest get a pass based on personality and character.

calderwoodra 3y ago
How convenient that (what is likely) your role is the only one in the world the gets any scrutiny /s.

XCSme 3y ago

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3cL4nrGOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3cL4nrGOk