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The situation in France is dire and crazy. This will not end well.
by bambax 3y ago
The situation in France is dire and crazy. This will not end well.
- infamouscow 3y agoIt's been awhile since the elite were reminded how easily their heads can be removed by primitive machine and motivated populace.
- mrguyorama 3y agoI blame a lack of access to pitchforks.
- getrealal 3y agoYep. But this is not exactly new. The Macron government is now using "anti-terror" legislation that was passed by both left and right-wing governments over the past 20 years or so.
- lannisterstark 3y agoI'm really curious as to why Macron govt is looked up to by a lot of Americans. American citizens, with all of the country's flaws, tends to have a lot more inherent civil rights than most of these governments.
- bluescrn 3y agoFear leads to support for authoritarianism. Covid, climate, nuclear war, economic uncertainty, etc.
- rightbyte 3y agoI think it is more about fear silences sane people. Not that support for shady things increase. E.g. at work like 2 or 3 out of 20 are phsycotic war mongers to different degrees. There is always this implied "we will shoot you as a traitor if you disagree" if things turn to shit when you deal with that kind of people.
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- explorer83 3y agoI think France is generally perceived here to have more progressive social policies regarding labor, education, healthcare and the environment. The limited media coverage I've seen about French elections seemed to paint Macron as the candidate more representative of those values.
- Kuinox 3y agoMacron is not a fan of theses social policies, he is right leaning. His governement reduced labor protections, butchered educations, worsened public healthcare, and do nothing for the environment.
- explorer83 3y agoIm not arguing the point. It's a sad state of affairs. But Le Pen was painted here as a female version of Trump. So that's why Macron was perceived as representative of French progressiveness.
- Kuinox 3y agoMacron's minister of the interior, Gérald Darmanin, described Le Pen as "too soft". France is not a bi-party system, Macron is not progressive.
- mrguyorama 3y agoThe vote (for president) still came down to, "Guy who thinks protecting the workers is the end of the world" or "Lady who seems way too comfortable with actual nazi parties", so americans just had a lot of empathy.
- lucasRW 3y agoEconomically right-leaning but culturally left-leaning, he's let in tens of thousands of migrants, does not expel them (cf. the "OQTF" stories pretty much every day), and on top of that, uses taxpayers money to fund them throughout the country.
- wott 3y agoYou always get only a really tiny window of information, selected by your medias, about foreign countries. (It doesn't matter which receiving country you are in, it is a general principle, not just about the USA). In France, we almost only hear about other countries politics when there is a chance for a far right party to gain something. As far as all other domains are concerned, we may from time to time get a funny/shocking miscellaneous news item, and that's it. Also, images/stereotypes about a country last a long time, long after they have stopped being true. Ironically, perhaps the only emitting country that differs a bit is... the USA, for probably most countries over the planet are flooded with information and contemporary culture from the USA. For example, to get back a bit to the original subject, people may know the American police and justice system better than their own. Like, French people when they are arrested would believe that they have enforceable rights and that rigorous processes are respected. Ah! Once, in custody, I even had the impudence of requesting a lawyer as I was allowed to. LOL, no way. And it is not simply a problem of a rotten police: the prosecutor, the judges, they are all covering this up, it is the whole police+justice system which 'works' like this.
- ilyt 3y agoThe answer is same as with western commies, coz the ideals speak to them but they never lived by it and are aware of the bad stuff
- marvin 3y agoI have had well-educated French acquaintences telling me for a decade that France is ripe for a new system of government; the 6th in its history. Many current problems stem from the fact that post-war mechanisms written into the governmental system are abused by the president and elected leaders. E.g. presidential overruling of parlamental votes.
- conradfr 3y agoWe celebrate the revolution and throwing out the king while basically electing a new one every five years that will magically solve all of our problems.
- nolok 3y agoWe celebrate the revolution while ignoring it went terribly, being in terms of rights, economy or basically anything else, and we happily put an emperor on the throne less than a decade later
- baud147258 3y ago> we happily put an emperor on the throne less than a decade later to be fair, the emperor climbed on the throne pretty much on his own; I think he had support across broad parts of the population, but it's not as if he was elected (and he didn't even start as an emperor, that came a few years after his coup)
- nolok 3y agoTo quote him ; > I did not steal the crown. I found it lying in the gutter, and I picked it up with the sword. But it was the people who placed it on my head. The man was massively popular with the populace [1] [2] and he got elected emperor with a referendum [3] to which 7 million people were called. By modern standard that barely qualifies, but for an emperor in 1804 ... A common misconception was that the revolution was to remove the all powerful head of state. It wasn't, the people just wanted a competent one and improved living conditions. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/277eu3/why_is_napoleon_so_revered_in_france_despite_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/277eu3/why_i... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/gli6nn/considering_that_one_of_the_reasons_why_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/gli6nn/consi... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_French_constitutional_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_French_constitutional_ref...
- Bayart 3y agoPeople have been slow-boiled and don't quite seem to realize the closest regime in Europe in terms of concentration of powers is Russia.