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Yesterday the French government dissolved an environmental movement (which I don't like btw), amongst the reasons stated[0] are that they leave their phones at
by conradfr 3y ago
Yesterday the French government dissolved an environmental movement (which I don't like btw), amongst the reasons stated[0] are that they leave their phones at home or switch them off, refuse to talk to the police when arrested, or even that they organize their protest over the internet.
When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is like".
[0] https://twitter.com/mart1oeil/status/1671467485931921408 https://twitter.com/mart1oeil/status/1671467485931921408
- senttoschool 3y ago>When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is like". China and North Korea exist on completely separate spectrums.
- conradfr 3y agoI guess the day they only name North Korea we will know we're done.
- bad_login 3y agoAh ah like when we used to say : Russia, China and North Korea exist on completely separate spectrums.
- pokepim 3y agoHonestly the west wanted for China to be more like us but in the end our power hungry politicians made us more like China. And we are on track to be even worse because there are some morons who are actually in favor of police state and “democratically” vote to be policed by the goverment and their cronies.
- yieldcrv 3y agoI was thinking about an uber or courier service that takes your phone for a walk Pretty much relying on the assumption that investigators will find stationary phones suspicious when they spy on you Could put them in those charging lockboxes seen as airports and festivals, the infrastructure is already there Guess I’ll market it to climate activists in europe lol edit: maybe those delivery robots are even better couriers, since it fits the idea of getting a courier to come back to you better than an uber on the other side of town. risky but the fun kind.
- tempestn 3y agoIf a stationary phone is suspicious, imagine how suspicious it'll look when prosecutors show someone was using that service.
- yieldcrv 3y agostrength in numbers
- zirgs 3y agoCan you fake it with an app somehow instead?
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoAntenas can ping your location and track your movements. There's nothing you can fake here.
- lugu 3y agoPut your device in front of a vertical metallic plan and have it vertically rotating slowly. You are now walking around your house. Wouldn't this work?
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoWalking around your house isn’t evading anyone or anything, and it’d be too periodic. You need wider range, more chaos, but mainly consistent spoofed behaviour.
- dotancohen 3y agoJust leave the phone on a bus, somewhere hidden. Then "find" it later, or call the bus service if need be.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
- bambax 3y agoThe situation in France is dire and crazy. This will not end well.
- infamouscow 3y agoIt's been awhile since the elite were reminded how easily their heads can be removed by primitive machine and motivated populace.
- mrguyorama 3y agoI blame a lack of access to pitchforks.
- getrealal 3y agoYep. But this is not exactly new. The Macron government is now using "anti-terror" legislation that was passed by both left and right-wing governments over the past 20 years or so.
- lannisterstark 3y agoI'm really curious as to why Macron govt is looked up to by a lot of Americans. American citizens, with all of the country's flaws, tends to have a lot more inherent civil rights than most of these governments.
- bluescrn 3y agoFear leads to support for authoritarianism. Covid, climate, nuclear war, economic uncertainty, etc.
- rightbyte 3y agoI think it is more about fear silences sane people. Not that support for shady things increase. E.g. at work like 2 or 3 out of 20 are phsycotic war mongers to different degrees. There is always this implied "we will shoot you as a traitor if you disagree" if things turn to shit when you deal with that kind of people.
- cm2187 3y agoThey have not been dissolved because they left their phone at home, they have been dissolved because it was a violent organisation that was systematically attacking the police and destroying property. And given the sort of stuff they brought to their protests: swords, machettes, baseball bats, jerrycan, bricks, fireworks, petanque balls, Molotov cocktails, fire bombs, etc, it is particularly disingenuous to pretend they have been dissolved for not talking to the police when arrested. You can read the actual decret in French: https://twitter.com/GDarmanin/status/1671450289298198528 https://twitter.com/GDarmanin/status/1671450289298198528
- 93po 3y agoOkay, so if the government ever wants to shut anything down for any reason, get a few dozen goon squad members to show up as fellow protestors with weapons and cause property damage and smack cops around a little bit?
- morkalork 3y agoPretty much, yes? There's even a French term for it! Agent provocateur. There is no shortage of accusations of such in the US and abroad.
- elproxy 3y agoSo, should the FNSEA be dissolved then? https://twitter.com/SebastienM/status/1671842089502494721?s=20 https://twitter.com/SebastienM/status/1671842089502494721?s=...
- reddit_refugee3 3y ago[flagged]
- Freak_NL 3y ago> …, petanque balls, … While I won't argue with the fact that these are indeed formidable missiles, it does make for a unique French touch.
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- h0nd 3y agoWhat is really disturbing for me is that authorities go after such rather well behaving protesters instead of terrorists in disguise as protesters.