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The world’s most liveable cities in 2023
- karaokeyoga 3y agohttps://archive.md/61XRV https://archive.md/61XRV
- karaokeyoga 3y agoHolding down the <esc> key as the page loads will give you access to the full, interactive page. Timing is tricky but it works.
- kgwxd 3y agoWow, I got that work. Took about 20 tries but I could see what you meant from the way the page visibly loads. F5. Wait for it... ESC. If you see the "Get The Full Story" banner, repeat with a different timing between F5 and ESC.
- karaokeyoga 3y agoworks on nytimes, too
- ido 3y agoThe usual caveat that it's meant to measure a "hardship index" for companies relocating workers. I wouldn't use it as a measure for where to best move to as there are many factors it doesn't measure (such as how good the job market is, how expensive cost of living is, etc)- aside from maybe preferring cities in the approximate top (80+ out of 100), which is mostly "nice" cities in the developed world (no surprise there). Assuming you're anyway not contemplating moving to Nairobi or Tehran I don't think this really gives much useful info as you can't really say you'd like life in a city with a slightly better score than another, it only matter if the gap is large. E.g. I spent 8 years living in Vienna followed by 10 years in Berlin (a bit further below in the rating) and I don't feel my quality of life is at all lower here (I much prefer living in Berlin)- the main difference I notice is that Vienna is much better at cleaning up the trash from public spaces than Berlin, and a smaller city is generally easier to navigate.
- calebj0seph 3y agoYep, Sydney is ranked #4 yet is currently experiencing a severe shortage of rental properties where the average rent is now 40% higher[1] than 2 years ago. [1] https://sqmresearch.com.au/weekly-rents.php?region=nsw-Sydney&type=c&t=1 https://sqmresearch.com.au/weekly-rents.php?region=nsw-Sydne...
- somerandomqaguy 3y agoI think that's most cities. Toronto's rents have gone up about the same since two years ago, but many cities in Ontario and British Columbia have had rents go up quite a lot as well. I think Nova Scotia also saw pretty significant rent increases as well but I could be mixing it up with Prince Edward Island.
- pcthrowaway 3y agoIt's actually worse in Vancouver (BC): https://globalnews.ca/news/9424677/rent-prices-canada-january-2023/ https://globalnews.ca/news/9424677/rent-prices-canada-januar...
- avinoth 3y agoSame for zurich and geneva as well. It’s almost a meme here for finding rental apartments within nominal budgets. They’re nice to live “if” you could afford to.
- expertentipp 3y agoSwiss companies are glad to hire EU folks just below the average Swiss salary. The relocation package is "we expect you to show up in the office on the first day".
- prodent 3y agoI would describe my personal experience in Zurich (and having lived in Berlin before) a bit differently. Everyone loves whining about finding a place to rent in both places, but in Berlin it's about finding anything at all whereas in Zurich it's usually about finding something cheap and ideally in a desirable Kreis 3 or Kreis 4 neighborhood. Yes it's competitive, but you will find something with realistic expectations + budget. NB: I don't earn a big tech salary either. If you land a Google/Meta/IBM/Disney/adjacent job, the (rental) housing market should not give you any headaches.
- expertentipp 3y agoThese rankings miss one fundamental factor - availability of housing to rent and buy. Once accounted, the ranking would probably inverse. No "livability" matters or makes sense when one has all their possessions in two suitcases and have to move out with one day notice during the first one year or longer.
- ido 3y agoThey miss a lot of factors, and are mostly just for companies to compare "hardship allowances" for relocating workers. It doesn't track a lot of factors that would matter to an individual moving themselves.
- expertentipp 3y agoAhh so full relocation package for entire family and household, with infinite company housing in detached house. Yeah if you get this in Zurich or Vienna, sign in immediately. Then also fate of your family will depend on your line manager.
- ido 3y agoI haven't myself ever been relocated as a worker, but when my brother (while working for one of the US tech giants) was relocated he still had to pay rent & other expenses in the new city himself, the company just found them housing and paid for the cost of the relocation itself ("just", that's still a lot, but what you describe sounds more like what high-level government officials get).
- expertentipp 3y agoI was lucky once to be relocated like this with housing covered in small studio for the first few months, while being single. I know e.g. that Shell in Hague is beyond generous, including housing in detached house.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago>Yeah if you get this in Zurich or Vienna, sign in immediately. Then also fate of your family will depend on your line manager. Exactly. Just like how Bitpanda and NXP used to relocate foreign workers and their families to Austria, then fire them when some shit hit the fan, leaving them to fend for themselves. Moving countries with your family, especially to ones where you have no connections/family/support network and don't speak the language, is incredibly risky unless you're very well off or very talented in a skill that's in high demand where you move. Like you said, you and your family are at the mercy of your line manager, at least for the fist few years till you get enough credit to qualify for social support and build a support network, so foreign workers tend to put up with way more overtime and unreasonable demands, because they don't want to risk loosing their jobs so soon after investing huge amounts of effort, time and money in relocating their families.
- dredmorbius 3y agoInteresting that none of the top-ten are in the US, and only two are in North America (Vancouver and Toronto). The former has a notoriously tight housing market.
- vincent-manis 3y agoCalgary
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- dredmorbius 3y agoWhich is to say: Calgary is a 3rd N.A. city, and also not in the United States. Point.
- mynegation 3y agoWhile Toronto housing market may not be as expensive as Vancouver on average, it is still more expensive than pretty much anywhere else in Canada. Toronto is not as geographically squeezed as Vancouver, and number of high-rises built lately and being built now is off the charts. And yet, housing affordability is still the hottest topic in the upcoming mayoral election.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoTashkent is sure in Asia and not eastern Europe. These kind of mistakes make me annoyed for some reason. Hardship indices are useful. Beijing was considered a no-hardship posting by the state department but they had to bring it back a hard ship bonus circa 2015 because of the air pollution. Not sure where it is now, but QOL effects living in some places is real.
- testacct22 3y ago> But stability deteriorated elsewhere. Striking workers in Greece, pension protests in France and deadly clashes in Israel and Peru reduced scores in those countries. ??? Who is this list meant for? Seems kind of odd to penalize France because of pension protests Am an American so might be lacking details, but my understanding is that Macron decided to raise the retirement age which was highly unpopular, and people were pissed off because of it? How do those protests make France "less livable"? If anything, it makes it more livable by my book. Seems like Economist is just airing political grievances. Usually whenever I see these lists (e.g. "livability index", "democracy index", etc), the list maker shuffles around the top 10-20 countries in order to grind some political axe
- philippgerard 3y agoBurning cars on the street would sure affect the livability in my neighborhood. The French are passionate people when protesting. And they protest a lot. Makes sense to me to me to mention it. It’s not about the right to assemble, otherwise I’m sure Hong Kong would be on the first spot on the list.
- badpun 3y ago> Burning cars on the street would sure affect the livability in my neighborhood. Especially if it's my car. If these guys want to burn property so badly, why don't they bring their own cars to the area and burn them, in a sort of political protest burning man fashion?
- expertentipp 3y agoIf they touch police's or public administration's property, their professional and family lives will be over. No one will torch their own property, duh. So basically you hit the next person you see, ensuring beforehand they're not police or someone well connected.
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- voyager1 3y agoIf you are more interested in best cities by digital nomads, I much prefer nomadlist [1]. Main criteria is safety, cost, internet, fun. You can also add additional filters. [1] https://nomadlist.com/safe-exceptional-places https://nomadlist.com/safe-exceptional-places
- jhoechtl 3y agoA nomad takes every benefit he can get contributing only a small share back.
- voyager1 3y agoTechnically yes, they don't pay salary taxes on nomadic destinations, however in practice, they spend most of their income on these nomadic destinations and probably add a lot more fuel to the economy than an average local.
- pg_1234 3y agohttps://archive.ph/lkVIB https://archive.ph/lkVIB
- quintes 3y agoOn mobile.. Paywall or just me? Would like to see the list.
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- rajnathani 3y agoTop 20 as of the report: 1. Vienna, Austria 2. Copenhagen, Denmark 3. Melbourne, Australia 4. Sydney, Australia 5. Vancouver, Canada 6. Zurich, Switzerland 7. Calgary, Canada 8. Geneva, Switzerland 9. Toronto, Canada 10. Osaka, Japan 11. Auckland, New Zealand 12. Adelaide, Australia 13. Perth, Australia 14. Helsinki, Finland 15. Tokyo, Japan 16. Brisbane, Australia 17. Frankfurt, Germany 18. Berlin, Germany 19. Luxembourg 20. Amsterdam, Netherlands Top 10 within the US: 1. Honolulu (overall ranking: 25) 2. Atlanta (overall ranking: 33) 3. Pittsburgh (overall ranking: 34) 4. Seattle (overall ranking: 36) 5. Washington, D.C. (overall ranking: 38) 6. Miami (overall ranking: tied for 39) 7. Chicago (overall ranking: tied for 39) 8. Boston (overall ranking: 46) 9. Portland, Oregon (overall ranking: 48) 10. San Francisco (overall ranking: 49) Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/06/21/ranked-20-best-cities-to-live-in-the-world-according-to-a-new-report/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/06/21/ran...
- bryanlarsen 3y agoIt's pedantic, but this list doesn't show the ties. On the Economist site, Geneva is #7 (tied with Calgary) and Auckland is tied for #10.